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Old Posted Jan 30, 2007, 2:09 PM
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Winnipeg is on IKEA's radar, says a prominent local property developer.

Sandy Shindleman says the retail real estate industry is buzzing that the Swedish furniture giant will open a Winnipeg store in 2009 or 2010.

Citing reliable sources from the International Council of Shopping Centre winter conference, Shindleman says Winnipeg is next or second-next for new stores coming to Canada -- in Halifax and Winnipeg.

"I think in that order," he added. "The industry's talking about the fact we're finally on the radar."

A company spokesman confirmed IKEA has expansion plans for Canada, but Winnipeg is not in them.


"It is just a rumour," Cass Hall said of talk of a new store here.

"For now we don't have any plans for Winnipeg we can discuss right now."

IKEA turns 30 this year and is growing as a company. Hall said among its first new moves in Canada will be to expand its Ottawa store.

Winnipeggers are some of the best and most loyal IKEA mail-order customers in Canada, yet have long felt inferior for not having a storefront outlet.

FEASIBILITY STUDY

Their hopes were raised when IKEA conducted a feasibility study a few years ago on the merits of doing business here. At the time, Winnipeg did not have the magical one-million population the company says on its website it requires.

Robert Warren, a retail professor at the University of Manitoba, doubts IKEA will open a store here. The city and its catchment area cannot support the size of big box -- about 200,000 square feet -- IKEA is building now, he said.

"That store has got to do $33 (million) or $35 million in sales," he said. "If you go to their website you will see they never go into a market of less than a million people ... unless they're coming up with some new format.

"I don't think they'd come here in a million years. It's not the first time I've heard 'reliable sources say.' "

But Warren admitted he could be wrong and suggested IKEA may be moving into second-tier markets the way major retailers Wal-Mart and Superstore have done. Both Halifax and Winnipeg are considered secondary retail markets, he said.

Shindleman, whose company counts retail giants such as Wal-Mart, Home Depot, Best Buy, Old Navy and Starbucks among its clients, acknowledges the news may be speculation right now, but believes IKEA will find a home here.

"I always knew it would happen, but I wondered if I would still be in business," he said. "I thought I might be retired."

The president of Shindico Realty Inc. said an IKEA store, which needs hectares of space for customer parking and highway access for deliveries, would likely set up shop in southeast or southwest Winnipeg.

"There's quite a few choices for them," he said, noting he'd be surprised "to see it opening before 2009."
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The only thing that makes me roll my eyes more than "will NHL hockey come back to Winnipeg" discussions, is "will IKEA come to Winnipeg" discussions.
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The only thing that makes me roll my eyes more than "will NHL hockey come back to Winnipeg" discussions, is "will IKEA come to Winnipeg" discussions.
I don't understand why the media wants to get people's hopes up, and then stomp on them like a cheap cigarette. It's quite pathetic on their part.

If it happens, it happens. If it doesn't, it doesn't. C'est la vie.

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I don't understand why the media wants to get people's hopes up, and then stomp on them like a cheap cigarette. It's quite pathetic on their part.

If it happens, it happens. If it doesn't, it doesn't. C'est la vie.
It sells papers. It's like a free sales generator that they can only whip out about once a year. Certainly the Sun is not above such crap.

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Judging by what happened to the last soul who posted a thread about Ikea, I would say some people are starting to tread on thin ice....
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well, it was in the paper -- that's the only reason why I posted it.
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I don't understand the part about needing a million population. Edmonton had an IKEA long before it hit a million in population.
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I don't understand the part about needing a million population. Edmonton had an IKEA long before it hit a million in population.
IKEA used to build much smaller stores. These days, they're only doing these huge 2 storey monsters that make a Home Depot look tiny by comparison. Look up "big box" in the dictionary, and you'll find a picture of IKEA.

It's always surprised me that Winnipeg didn't have an IKEA. Not to put too fine a point on it, but Winnipeg is the perfect market for their product (as evidenced by the huge catalog sales they do). As 1ajs says, though, much of their merchandise isn't exactly "quality", so it all depends on what you're looking for in furniture. It's a neat store to shop in, but 99% of their stuff is, shall we say, "garbage".

To emphasize this, I do a lot of garage sailing in the summer, and since moving to Calgary, I've seen a HUGE amount of IKEA stuff at garage sales. People don't tend to hang on to this stuff for very long - read into that what you will.
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IKEA used to build much smaller stores. These days, they're only doing these huge 2 storey monsters that make a Home Depot look tiny by comparison. Look up "big box" in the dictionary, and you'll find a picture of IKEA.

It's always surprised me that Winnipeg didn't have an IKEA. Not to put too fine a point on it, but Winnipeg is the perfect market for their product (as evidenced by the huge catalog sales they do). As 1ajs says, though, much of their merchandise isn't exactly "quality", so it all depends on what you're looking for in furniture. It's a neat store to shop in, but 99% of their stuff is, shall we say, "garbage".

To emphasize this, I do a lot of garage sailing in the summer, and since moving to Calgary, I've seen a HUGE amount of IKEA stuff at garage sales. People don't tend to hang on to this stuff for very long - read into that what you will.
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I don't understand the part about needing a million population. Edmonton had an IKEA long before it hit a million in population.
IKEA was a much smaller company in the early 80s.

Also the original IKEA in Edmonton was in the WEM and one could justify that there would be quite a bit of tourism business going to that location just because of the mall.

The new IKEA in Edmonton wasnt built until Edmonton (and surrounding areas) hit one million people.
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IKEA was a much smaller company in the early 80s.

Also the original IKEA in Edmonton was in the WEM and one could justify that there would be quite a bit of tourism business going to that location just because of the mall.

The new IKEA in Edmonton wasnt built until Edmonton (and surrounding areas) hit one million people.
Actually the original IKEA was in SE Edmonton, on 50st and Sherwood Park Freeway (Where the purple UofA Bard building is now). Ikea has been in Edmonton since 1979 according to their website, didnt go to WEM until the mid 80s.
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bahaha not this stupid talk again last year we deceded ikea was noting but crap
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bahaha not this stupid talk again last year we deceded ikea was noting but crap
I agree completely!!... I live in Calgary and don't and would not shop at Ikea. Its crappy lowend unassembled furniture.. why does Winnipeg care...

Simple.. because Winnipeg wants to be in the big leagues.. even if its lowend crap.

Eventhough Calgary got its store when it was below 800,000 people as did Edmonton, Winnipeg is not so fortunate. It seems the requirements has been increased by the Ikea location desision makers.

Its no big loss... I'd much rather concern my time with development of the local economy and the entrepenueral factors which build the small and medium size business sector. Build the economy and make the city stronger.

I am sure a unintentional result will be an attrcation of more large big box retailers .. which may eventually include Ikea. It won't make one bit of difference to me.. I like quality furniture.
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^and dont forget they moved to whitemud and gateway blvd mid 90's when we were far under 1mil also....but economics have changed yall.

oh and ikea builds 300,000sqft stores now, not 200.
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^Unless someone can find the "magic 1 million" number on their website - it is complete bogus. In fact, technically both Edm and Cgy new ikeas were built before officially hitting that number.

Regardless, as I pointed out on one of the other many Ikea coming to Winnipeg threads, there have been several built in the last year in Scandinavia and Russia with similar or smaller pops than the Peg.

http://www.ikea-group.ikea.com/corpo...up_stores.html

Someone in the Peg should write the Sun back - and call this guy on shoddy journalism. First, he gets in touch with a company spokesman, but then gets that stupid 1 million figure from a retail professor at the U of M? And that dude misses the size of the stores by about 125,000 sq ft???

EDIT: I looked this up before...so I did more research than the guy that wrote the article - send this to him to follow-up:

"As well, Ikea has opened recently (2005/2006) in less populated places than Winnipeg:

Amersfoort - 134k.
Kalmar - 230k (in county)
Haparanda (Norrbotten Country - 258k) - the "northernmost" Ikea (65.50 N opened Nov, 2006)"



NOW stop creating new threads on Winnipeg and IKEA
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Kalmar - 230k (in county)
230 thou... oh wait, it's with a K.
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I think the magic one million is bullshit too.. urban legend that won't die.

I think the reason that we don't already have one has a lot to do with Palliser (NEFCO) being based here, and their stranglehold on the local furniture market. ie. EQ3, Penthouse, Palliser, Thomasville, etc. etc. all owned by the same company.

But perhaps that doesn't matter anymore.. and as much as I hate Shady Swindleman, he would know.
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I think the magic one million is bullshit too.. urban legend that won't die.

I think the reason that we don't already have one has a lot to do with Palliser (NEFCO) being based here, and their stranglehold on the local furniture market. ie. EQ3, Penthouse, Palliser, Thomasville, etc. etc. all owned by the same company.

But perhaps that doesn't matter anymore.. and as much as I hate Shady Swindleman, he would know.
sorry, you are more than wrong. NEFCO does not own Palliser and if any one company actually had a 'stranglehold' on the local retail furniture market, both Leons (Toronto) and The Brick (Edmonton) would have been prevented from entering it in the late 1980's. Further to that the Shindleman or Swindleman family as you refer to them do commercial real estate in the city and it is the Adelman family who is the owner of Penthouse/NEFCO and they only sell Palliser manufactured products and have zero ownership otherwise-Palliser and EQ3 are entirely De Fehr. Also, Thomasville is an American owned and operated company. Nice try though.
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sorry, you are more than wrong. NEFCO does not own Palliser...
Does NEFCO just sell Palliser stuff then? We proudly have new theatre seating from Palliser (I say proudly, because we try to buy most of our furniture from Canadian companies...Palliser and True North seemingly being our favourites)...though, there was a mark on the leather, and I had to call to get it looked at - the number I had was for NEFCO.

Anyway, EQ3 stuff looks far better than the stuff at Ikea - if you like that modern look (not my style). I've learned the Ikea lesson the hard way...it might be inexpensive, but its also cheap. I think Winnipeg has too many other great furniture options that Winnipegers should be thankful for not having the largest of big box stores in their city.
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Does NEFCO just sell Palliser stuff then? We proudly have new theatre seating from Palliser (I say proudly, because we try to buy most of our furniture from Canadian companies...Palliser and True North seemingly being our favourites)...though, there was a mark on the leather, and I had to call to get it looked at - the number I had was for NEFCO.

Anyway, EQ3 stuff looks far better than the stuff at Ikea - if you like that modern look (not my style). I've learned the Ikea lesson the hard way...it might be inexpensive, but its also cheap. I think Winnipeg has too many other great furniture options that Winnipegers should be thankful for not having the largest of big box stores in their city.


IKEA is so over rated i spent several hours in one last year i could not wait to get out......... blah........
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