SAN ANTONIO | City and Metro Transportation Thread

[wwmiv]

Her/his opinion is informed by some stated facts though, so let's not immediately discount it.

[GoldenBoot]

Originally Posted by wwmiv

her/his opinion is informed by some stated facts though, so let's not immediately discount it.

+1

[ICEVET]

Originally Posted by GoldenBoot

+1

Gee... a Forum without opinions. What a liberal, inspiring idea. Why the hell didn't I think of that? Of course, caution should be exercised. Some might feel so threatened by the idea that they would have to retire to their "safe space".

I KEEP SPIRITS HANDY IN CASE I SEE A SNAKE...
WHICH I ALSO KEEP HANDY

[Restless 1]

Originally Posted by ICEVET

Gee... a Forum without opinions. What a liberal, inspiring idea. Why the hell didn't I think of that? Of course, caution should be exercised. Some might feel so threatened by the idea that they would have to retire to their "safe space".

I KEEP SPIRITS HANDY IN CASE I SEE A SNAKE...
WHICH I ALSO KEEP HANDY

You spelled "Orwellian" wrong.

Then again...

[Spoiler]

You guys are really bad at political discourse, and should probably stick to opinions about buildings and such.

[The ATX]

Originally Posted by Spoiler

You guys are really bad at political discourse, and should probably stick to opinions about buildings and such.

Nice. You should be a Mod for the S.A. forum.

[Restless 1]

Originally Posted by Spoiler

You guys are really bad at political discourse, and should probably stick to opinions about buildings and such.

No opinions allowed. AsomeSAView said so.

The real problem is, whenever anyone tries to have a discussion on these threads, he comes in carping about everyone's comments. If he weren't so rude, this would not be an issue.

[ICEVET]

Originally Posted by Restless 1

No opinions allowed. AsomeSAView said so.

The real problem is, whenever anyone tries to have a discussion on these threads, he comes in carping about everyone's comments. If he weren't so rude, this would not be an issue.

Here's a good point to ponder. Whenever someone on the Forum uses a word or expression such as "Agree", "Disagree", "Believe", "Feel", "Suggest", "Support", "Oppose", etc., they are stating a form of OPINION. A perusal of the definition of "Forum", put simply, is a medium or place for the exchange of values and ideas, which are merely forms of OPINION. Suppression of the chance to set forth those values or ideas is mission creep rolling up on censureship. With as many different topics as we engage, how can we learn anything without review or examination of other poster's beliefs and opinions? Criticism of another poster's points should at least be accomplished with a little dignity, courtesy and couth and without outright insult. Political discourse??!! Are you kidding me??!! I had no idea that our banal jawjacking had even begun to reach such an exalted level.

Those with time to indulge in the exquisite agonies of pacifier withdrawal might note that when infants hear that which displeases them, they cry, too. When we can no longer tolerate hearing anything we disagree with, it says a lot about our own level of intellectual maturity or lack thereof.
At least we now know that, in the absence of opinions, this cannot be a Forum. So what the heck is it? Ho-hum, yawn. Perhaps it's just as well that we can't know the answer. Besides, no one's listening, anyway. The percentage of the human race that reads anything we write must be about a decimal point and the numeral "1" separated by a thousand zeros.

After all, all of this is just my uninformed, inconsequential, insignificant, immaterial, irrelevant, unjustified, humdrum, disrespectful, intolerant, annoying, me-no-talkee-good-yangui OPINION.


When there is no basis for an argument,
ABUSE THE PLAINTIFF

[texboy]

San Antonio International Airport extends record passenger traffic

Just over 2 million passengers passed through the terminals at San Antonio International Airport during the first quarter of this year. That’s the largest first-quarter traffic count on record for the North Side facility.

The news was better on the domestic front, where passenger traffic was up more than 9 percent in March from a year ago.

[SAhometown]

This article is from early March but still this is great!

http://www.bizjournals.com/sanantoni...r-new-san.html


Maybe Vancouver can be next!

[texboy]

Originally Posted by SAhometown

This article is from early March but still this is great!

http://www.bizjournals.com/sanantoni...r-new-san.html


Maybe Vancouver can be next!

Would be awesome! A London or Frankfurt route would be nice as well!

[texboy]

Volaris to launch new nonstop flights from San Antonio to Mexico

San Antonio leaders see this latest score as another opportunity to draw more international visitors to the Alamo City. San Antonio Aviation Director Russ Handy said the new Volaris flights are a “major win” for local leaders who continue to push to expand air access and attract more passengers.

Volaris plans to begin the new service from San Antonio on the eve of Mexico’s Independence Day. The new flights will be offered seven days a week on the airline's 179-seat Airbus A320 aircraft. Volaris' expanding presence in San Antonio is tied in part to a boost in SAT leadership that included the hiring of Brian Pratte as air services administrator a year ago.

This is a significant win because this would fill the hole (at least partially) left when Southwest pulled the Mexico City route in favor of an additional daily to Hobby International.

[ILUVSAT]

We need to find a way to extend a runway (or two) to at least 10,000 ft. in order to be considered for a trans-Atlantic flight. Forget any Asian flights at this point.

Let's not fool ourselves. 8,500 ft. will not do it...

We need to do it quickly. Austin is already in negotiations with more European & at least two Asian carriers. We'll be left in the wind.

[cole world11]

Has anybody used Air Canada's new service yet? I plan to use it in October en route to London and will be the first time I fly with Air Canada. I hope SAT can sustain this service, it's such a welcome sight.

[waynechef]

Iluvsat is correct in terms of runway length. There won't be be a scheduled transatlantic flight unless, for the sake of temperature and distance, the runway/runways aren't at least 10,000 feet long. There are plans to lengthen them in the master plan, but I don't know if they are feasible monetarily.

[pr57001]

Originally Posted by waynechef

Iluvsat is correct in terms of runway length. There won't be be a scheduled transatlantic flight unless, for the sake of temperature and distance, the runway/runways aren't at least 10,000 feet long. There are plans to lengthen them in the master plan, but I don't know if they are feasible monetarily.

Do we know for sure 10K is required with actual numbers and modern aircraft?

San Diego is 9500 feet (versus 8500 here), but east->west operations are limited to effective length of 8200. We are hotter, but San Diego also has more terrain in both directions.

San Diego is also 600 miles further to LHR, for example, on great circle map. And they manage Frankfurt and Tokyo, both longer then LHR.

[texboy]

Originally Posted by pr57001

Do we know for sure 10K is required with actual numbers and modern aircraft?

San Diego is 9500 feet (versus 8500 here), but east->west operations are limited to effective length of 8200. We are hotter, but San Diego also has more terrain in both directions.

San Diego is also 600 miles further to LHR, for example, on great circle map. And they manage Frankfurt and Tokyo, both longer then LHR.

I'm curious to this as well. Flightaware.com has pictures of 777's landing at SAT (Diverted Air France, Etihad from Houston) as well as 747's. Delta has a daily 757-200 flight to Atlanta out of SAT (I know not wide body, but shares a lot of dimensions with the 767).

[GoldenBoot]

Originally Posted by texboy

I'm curious to this as well. Flightaware.com has pictures of 777's landing at SAT (Diverted Air France, Etihad from Houston) as well as 747's. Delta has a daily 757-200 flight to Atlanta out of SAT (I know not wide body, but shares a lot of dimensions with the 767).

It's the weight of the fuel. A diverted B772, B773 or B744 landing at SAT will be almost depleted of fuel.

Departing to an overseas destination full of fuel is a whole other question.

The B752 and the B762 (or B763) are not really comparable.

[GoldenBoot]

Originally Posted by pr57001

Do we know for sure 10K is required with actual numbers and modern aircraft?

San Diego is 9500 feet (versus 8500 here), but east->west operations are limited to effective length of 8200. We are hotter, but San Diego also has more terrain in both directions.

San Diego is also 600 miles further to LHR, for example, on great circle map. And they manage Frankfurt and Tokyo, both longer then LHR.

Heat is not the only factor. In fact, heat would require one to have a longer runway. Air molecules are further apart meaning less lift and less oxygen for engine combustion.

Humidity also affects the required length for departure. The as humidity goes up, air pressure goes down - meaning less lift (or a longer takeoff requirement).

Also, humidity negatively affects jet engines. Because there is less oxygen in humid air, engines combust less and put out less thrust - again, requiring a longer runway.

[SAhometown]

Record now at 10 consecutive month's of growth!

http://www.bizjournals.com/sanantoni...streak-as.html