Wpg: Chief Peguis Trail Extension

[rrskylar]

Originally Posted by Jets4Life

So what is going on with CPT? Have they even begun to build it further west, or at least to McPhillips? Have they extended it past Lagimodiere? Or will it take until 2025 to begin?

Good one! CPT going east past Lag. is scheduled for 2039 and more studies are needed to figure out how to run CPT west of Main, construction should start sometime after 2022 with completion around 2025!

[Kinguni]

Originally Posted by Reignman

Lol...so so true. Smart play would have been to slap a diamond at Waverley, then another at Bison and have both North and South Town roads feed onto Bison to access Kenaston. But as always, we get the shit end of the stick ...god forbid you have too long of a free flow section here in Winnipeg.

Pretty much the original plan that got scaled back.

[Wolf13]

Originally Posted by Biff

I travel through there at 4:15 pm and have to admit that it is a very dangerous intersection. There are countless numbers of 18 wheelers and other large tandem axle trucks and vehicles with long trailers turning off and on to the perimeter mixed in with the rush hour commuter traffic traveling at very high speeds. I have witnessed quite a few near misses at that intersection.

Fair enough, I'm never at Gunn around that time. Still I think the concern with lights would be the downhill braking in Winter, which would simply happen way more with a light.

[vjose32]

Here's my wish list, lol

http://http://s58.photobucket.com/user/vjose32/media/IMG_2284_zpshf6a5vqi.jpg.html

[buzzg]

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[Jets4Life]

Originally Posted by rrskylar

Good one! CPT going east past Lag. is scheduled for 2039 and more studies are needed to figure out how to run CPT west of Main, construction should start sometime after 2022 with completion around 2025!

wonderful....

[Reignman]

^^ probably not far from reality, except the western extension should not take 3 years to finish...as the interchanges will likely be removed and (as with the Lag-Henderson extension) they will likely just avoid building it properly with concrete and slap some asphalt down.

So it should go rather quickly.

[LilZebra]

CBC Manitoba
Posted July 12, 2017

North Winnipeg councillors concerned Chief Peguis Trail left off federal funding wish list

Mayor's inner circle approves road renewal funding request

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manito...guis-1.4200988

[Kronos]

Originally Posted by LilZebra

CBC Manitoba
Posted July 12, 2017

North Winnipeg councillors concerned Chief Peguis Trail left off federal funding wish list

Mayor's inner circle approves road renewal funding request

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manito...guis-1.4200988

Looking at the inner ring road map as per the CBC article, is there is a review concerning the ring road upcoming??? The 'completed' section from Regent Ave to Plessis then to Fermor is a joke....tons of intersections by Regent and Plessis, speeds as low as 50 km, large stretches of single lane road on Plessis fronted by residential, and a crappy interchange set up at Plessis and Fermor

[rrskylar]

Originally Posted by LilZebra

CBC Manitoba
Posted July 12, 2017

North Winnipeg councillors concerned Chief Peguis Trail left off federal funding wish list

Mayor's inner circle approves road renewal funding request

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manito...guis-1.4200988

Anyone really surprised or expect anything different, south Winnipeg gets the bulk of infrastructure funding, the rest of the city not so much, pee Wee Bowman is the puppet of a select few who make the decisions for the city of Winnipeg, our weak mayor and clueless city council play-along as the stooges!

[jmt18325]

Uhhh, Bowman already said he wasn't asking for new road funding.

[Reignman]

Originally Posted by Kronos

Looking at the inner ring road map as per the CBC article, is there is a review concerning the ring road upcoming??? The 'completed' section from Regent Ave to Plessis then to Fermor is a joke....tons of intersections by Regent and Plessis, speeds as low as 50 km, large stretches of single lane road on Plessis fronted by residential, and a crappy interchange set up at Plessis and Fermor

Plessis is considered the current AND long term eastern leg of the inner ring road? Oh my....lol. Pathetic.

[bomberjet]

That map is not accurate and drawn up by CBC or something like that. Long term plan for Plessis is a new 4 lane road on the golf course land immediately east of existing Plessis. The route from the Plessis underpass to Ed Schreyer Parkway is unclear.

They also didn't show the connection of CPT west to CCW. They just used Route 90 and Inkster.

The beltway study is coming in 2018 or 2019, yes another study. The City hasn't done a study like this one in decades. There's basically two spots that the beltway gets hung up. Moray north of Portage and Plessis and Regent area. The City sold off the right of way near Regent and now has housing on it. Good job.

[Spocket]

Originally Posted by Reignman

Plessis is considered the current AND long term eastern leg of the inner ring road? Oh my....lol. Pathetic.

Well, bear in mind that originally the corridor was supposed to go through lands directly south of the current alignment. It was stopped because there's some grass there. Yeah, really. Something about tall grass prairie and heritage and yada, yada, yada.

I'm certainly not against preserving the natural habitat but, uh...well, I think it sort of speaks for itself in this case. I mean, shit, couldn't we have simply moved it? I would have thought that that would have been the cheapest method but what do I know?

[Jets4Life]

Originally Posted by rrskylar

Anyone really surprised or expect anything different, south Winnipeg gets the bulk of infrastructure funding, the rest of the city not so much, pee Wee Bowman is the puppet of a select few who make the decisions for the city of Winnipeg, our weak mayor and clueless city council play-along as the stooges!

The population of Winnipeg has been shifting to the south of Winnipeg for decades. In Canada, that is just how it is. Unless there are physical or political barriers preventing growth in the south, people, especially with money, tend to gravitate towards the south of nearly every Canadian city. If you look at Calgary, Edmonton, Saskatoon, and Regina, it is the same. The Government expenditures tend to go to the areas which are going to be built up in the future, especially if their constituents are better off than the older, less vibrant northern part of the city.

[cheswick]

Originally Posted by Jets4Life

The population of Winnipeg has been shifting to the south of Winnipeg for decades. In Canada, that is just how it is. Unless there are physical or political barriers preventing growth in the south, people, especially with money, tend to gravitate towards the southern limits of nearly every Canadian city. If you look at Calgary, Edmonton, Saskatoon, and Regina, it is the same. The Government expenditures tend to go to the areas which are going to be built up in the future, especially if their constituents are better off than the older, less vibrant northern part of the city.

Yeah that's his whole point. The city disproportionally spends in the south cause the base is wealthier....

And not sure where you get this idea that people with money gravitate to the southern limits of Canadian cities. The vast majority of the wealthiest neighbourhoods in Canada are in older established areas, not the southern fringes.

[The Jabroni]

This has been posted before, but I'll repost this.

Here's the City of Winnipeg Transportation Master Plan.

A quick Google search, and a bit of sleuthing, and boom! Results!

[CoryB]

Originally Posted by Jets4Life

The population of Winnipeg has been shifting to the south of Winnipeg for decades. In Canada, that is just how it is. Unless there are physical or political barriers preventing growth in the south, people, especially with money, tend to gravitate towards the southern limits of nearly every Canadian city. If you look at Calgary, Edmonton, Saskatoon, and Regina, it is the same. The Government expenditures tend to go to the areas which are going to be built up in the future, especially if their constituents are better off than the older, less vibrant northern part of the city.

You do realize the north part of the city has been growing almost as fast as the south, especially in the last 15 years? Yet the road infrastructure in the north is similar to where the south would have been in the mid 1980s? Beofre Bishop between Lag and St Annes was twinned. Before Bishop and Kennaston met up. Before the Kennaston underpass was built. Long before the Waverly underpass was even a discussion. Building CPT is effectively the same as twinning Bishop between Lag and St Annes. That is how big an infrastructure defect the city as a whole is in. We are talking about projects that should have been done 30 years ago that are still "future considerations". Sure south Winnipeg needs improvements but so does every corner of Winnipeg.

There is a reason north Winnipeg is repeatedly getting funding for new schools, more so than south Winnipeg. Here is a hint, there is actual significant population growth happening in the area. The largest high schools in the province? Nope nothing in south Winnipeg, they are all in the north.

As for your incorrect claims that the affluent all move to south Winnipeg, guess you haven't heard of East St Paul or the expensive houses in River Ridge, Amber Trails and similar areas. Not surprising since you don't seem to know much about that part of the city.

Winnipeg needs to start looking at issues as a whole and not focus solely on what works for southwest Winnipeg, unless southwest Winnipeg wants to start being the "losers" as the other areas band together to ensure their voices are the ones running City Hall.

[Jets4Life]

Originally Posted by CoryB

You do realize the north part of the city has been growing almost as fast as the south, especially in the last 15 years?

That not even remotely close to being true. Compare a map of Winnipeg at the time of amalgamation to present day Winnipeg, or even a map of Winnipeg from 20 years ago to a current map. The south has grown faster that the north, and it is not even remotely close.

As for your incorrect claims that the affluent all move to south Winnipeg, guess you haven't heard of East St Paul or the expensive houses in River Ridge, Amber Trails and similar areas. Not surprising since you don't seem to know much about that part of the city.

I was born and raised in Winnipeg and spent 80% of my life there. Fact: South Winnipeg is on average more affluent and growing much faster than North Winnipeg. Those are facts you cannot argue with. I don't even have a horse in the race, nor do I prefer one area to another. Tuxedo is wealthier than East St.Paul. ESP only has 9,000 people living in the municipality, and has grown less than 3,000 people in the last 20 years. The Winnipeg CMA population has over 811,000 and has increased by 127,800 over that same time frame. Tuxedo has the added bonus of density, and actually falling within the City limits.

Winnipeg needs to start looking at issues as a whole and not focus solely on what works for southwest Winnipeg, unless southwest Winnipeg wants to start being the "losers" as the other areas band together to ensure their voices are the ones running City Hall.

Priority is given to where the people are living, and the areas that are growing. Since Winnipeg's population has been shifting to the south (Charleswood, South Tuxedo, Linden Woods, Whyte Ridge, Waverley West, Richmond West, South St.Vital, South St. Boniface, etc) for decades, there is a need for infrastructure in those respective areas. That goes for nearly every single place in the world. I fail to comprehend what you mean by "unless southwest Winnipeg wants to start being the losers."

Regardless, you can find everything you need about each community this link I have provided, demographics and all. The 2016 census seems not to be available, so the 2011 Census will have to do.

http://winnipeg.ca/census/2011/

[Spocket]

Originally Posted by CoryB

You do realize the north part of the city has been growing almost as fast as the south, especially in the last 15 years? Yet the road infrastructure in the north is similar to where the south would have been in the mid 1980s? Beofre Bishop between Lag and St Annes was twinned. Before Bishop and Kennaston met up. Before the Kennaston underpass was built. Long before the Waverly underpass was even a discussion. Building CPT is effectively the same as twinning Bishop between Lag and St Annes. That is how big an infrastructure defect the city as a whole is in. We are talking about projects that should have been done 30 years ago that are still "future considerations". Sure south Winnipeg needs improvements but so does every corner of Winnipeg.

There is a reason north Winnipeg is repeatedly getting funding for new schools, more so than south Winnipeg. Here is a hint, there is actual significant population growth happening in the area. The largest high schools in the province? Nope nothing in south Winnipeg, they are all in the north.

As for your incorrect claims that the affluent all move to south Winnipeg, guess you haven't heard of East St Paul or the expensive houses in River Ridge, Amber Trails and similar areas. Not surprising since you don't seem to know much about that part of the city.

Winnipeg needs to start looking at issues as a whole and not focus solely on what works for southwest Winnipeg, unless southwest Winnipeg wants to start being the "losers" as the other areas band together to ensure their voices are the ones running City Hall.

Okay, this is just plain wrong. In terms of building starts, the north as a whole gets (on average) about %20 less activity than either the south east or south west.

Secondly, ESP, St. Clements, etc. aren't in Winnipeg. Even if they were, you do realize that the raw numbers are much smaller as a whole, right? It's one thing to see development on a map but the numbers are radically different.