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Old Posted Jan 4, 2020, 5:07 AM
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The Megaregions driving the global economy

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Old Posted Jan 6, 2020, 12:06 AM
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Bizarre that they grouped Toronto with Buffalo and Rochester (8.5 million, $424 billion) rather than as the central city in the Quebec City - Windsor Corridor (22 million, $1.1 trillion); good enough for 10th spot globally. If you include Detroit it's even higher.

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Do Buffalo and Rochester have a close professional/leisure relationship with Toronto?
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this is a pretty sloppy methodology as described in the graphic; it states that it uses population estimates from light emission data (ok?) and then calculates economic output using national data. if that's all there is to it, they're counting a person in shanghai the same as one in new ordos, new york city or san francisco the same as tulsa, etc. bizarre.
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Bizarre that they grouped Toronto with Buffalo and Rochester (8.5 million, $424 billion) rather than as the central city in the Quebec City - Windsor Corridor (22 million, $1.1 trillion); good enough for 10th spot globally. If you include Detroit it's even higher.

Not to mention the obvious: a singular national economy.
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Here is the most current data for NorCal and SoCal...

2018 GDP, Population & Per Capita:
Southern CA $1,646,208,000,000...23,917,306 $68,870
Northern CA $1,351,524,000,000...15,639,739 $86,602
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Do Buffalo and Rochester have a close professional/leisure relationship with Toronto?
Buffalo: sort of
Rochester: not at all
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The first time I heard about this fictional Toronto-Buffalo-Rochester Mega Region was when Richard Florida was promoting his book "Who's Your City' back in 2008.
It always sounded like a BS and arbitrary grouping. I started questioning his legitimacy as an 'urban thinker' ever since.
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I thought Toronto was grouped with Chicago/Detroit/Cleveland/Pittsburgh


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megare..._United_States
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^ yes, toronto and minneapolis and louisville and kansas city are all part of a single MEGA-REGION because someone decided to put orange circles around them on a map.


these thing always end up getting ridiculous.
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Maybe from a south-of-the-border point of view. The Windsor-Toronto-Montreal-Quebec City corridor, is in my opinion a better grouping, with stronger economical and cultural connections.
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Given the hard border between the US and Canada, not sure how American and Canadian metros can me lumped into a common megaregion. One can't up and commute from Buffalo to Toronto for work as easily as they could within their own country.
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ya that Toronto-Rochester grouping is BS.

Even with the border, I've heard of the Great Lakes megapolis, home to some 59 million, and lumps in Toronto with Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland etc. Open to interpretation I suppose.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Lakes_Megalopolis
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There are a few "megaregions" on the list that cross international borders.
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ya that Toronto-Rochester grouping is BS.

Even with the border, I've heard of the Great Lakes megapolis, home to some 59 million, and lumps in Toronto with Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland etc. Open to interpretation I suppose.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Lakes_Megalopolis
These things are kind of “broken telephone” chains of economic connectedness.

Toronto has economic ties with Detroit because of the auto industry;
Detroit has economic ties to cities further west in Michigan;
The westernmost Michigan cities kind of fall into Chicago’s orbit
Milwaukee has definite ties to Chicago.

What’s the value of Milwaukee-Toronto trade? Probably no different than trade between another city pair of 1.5 M -6 M+ on opposite sides of the continent in two different countries.

So, like the volume of trade between Ottawa and Houston or Edmonton and Miami.
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Making Toronto the center of a Quebec/Ontario megaregion makes so much more sense than clustering it with the US rust belt.

Windsor can overlap both, the same way Houston overlaps two.
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Not that map again...
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Rather than including (what is that? Sierra Vista?), they should have changed the name of this to "I-10 Sun Corridor" and swung the limits east along I-10 to El Paso. The cities of Phoenix, Tucson and El Paso line up along I-10 and relate to each other a fair amount.
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There are a few "megaregions" on the list that cross international borders.
Most realistic ones are within the Schengen Area.

Delhi-Lahore seems a little suspect considering the two countries are at odds. Same with Cairo-Tel Aviv.
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^ yes, toronto and minneapolis and louisville and kansas city are all part of a single MEGA-REGION because someone decided to put orange circles around them on a map.
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^yes, they probably should have asked you first.

admin@glrtoc.org - there's the e-mail address for the joint group of planning agencies of each of these metro areas (The Great Lakes Regional Transportation Operations Coalition (GLRTOC)). You could shoot them an e-mail and let them know how silly they are.
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