Where are the most affluent areas located in your metro?

[Docere]

Orthodox Jews also prefer new neighborhoods. Ledbury Park, which lies just west of North Toronto used to be filled with postwar bungalows but since the 1990s they've been replaced by custom built larger homes.

The "two cultures" split is pretty evident around Avenue Rd. and Lawrence Ave. East of there is North Toronto, just west of there is the heart of Orthodox Jewish Toronto.

[Docere]

I've noticed a bit of a difference between lawyers and doctors/dentists in terms of neighborhood preference as well. Lawyers seem to like the older North Toronto districts, while there are a lot of medical people in York Mills. Forest Hill has a good number of both.

To some extent this probably reflects ethnic differences too, as there are more Asian doctors, the Jewish share in the two professions is likely similar.

[dimondpark]

The most interesting thing about this imo is Hangzhou making the top 15 but not neighboring Shanghai.

[iheartthed]

Originally Posted by dimondpark

The most interesting thing about this imo is Hangzhou making the top 15 but not neighboring Shanghai.

I think it's interesting that no continental European city is on the list.

[eschaton]

Let's see - looking on Justice Map at household incomes over $110,000:

$177,824 - City of Pittsburgh (Squirrel Hill)
$162,053 - Northern Suburbs (Fox Chapel)
$148,795 - Northern Suburbs (Pine Twp)
$148,125 - Northern Suburbs (Sewickley Heights/Hills)
$142,205 - Northern Suburbs (Edgeworth)
$140,000 - Western Suburbs (Rosslyn Farms/Thornburg)
$136,250 - City of Pittsburgh (Point Breeze)
$136,019 - Southern Suburbs (Peters Twp)
$135,662 - Northern Suburbs (Franklin Park)
$135,556 - Northern Suburbs (Cranberry Twp)
$127,719 - Southern Suburbs (Mt. Lebanon)
$125,809 - Southern Suburbs (Upper St. Clair)
$123,462 - Northern Suburbs (Adams Twp)
$123,438 - Northern Suburbs (Cranberry Twp)
$119,219 - Eastern Suburbs (Murrysville)
$116,875 - Northern Suburbs (Cranberry Twp)
$116,719 - Southern Suburbs (Upper St. Clair)
$115,879 - Southern Suburbs (Upper St. Clair)
$115,278 - Southern Suburbs (Peters Twp)
$114,651 - Northern Suburbs (Franklin Park)
$114,545 - Eastern Suburbs (Murrysville)
$112,991 - Southern Suburbs (Mt. Lebanon)
$112,334 - Southern Suburbs (Peters Twp)
$112,292 - Northern Suburbs (Marshall Twp)
$110,288 - City of Pittsburgh (Squirrel Hill)

Wealth in Pittsburgh basically is basically a donut. There's a small, wealthy area around the East End of the city. Then lots of lower to middle income areas, minus some close in first-ring suburbs which still have cache among the wealthy (Fox Chapel, Roslyn Farms/Thornburg, parts of Mt. Lebanon. Then the wealth picks up again in several different clusters right around the county line between Allegheny County and the exurban areas in the outlying counties.

[Crawford]

Originally Posted by Docere

Orthodox Jews also prefer new neighborhoods. Ledbury Park, which lies just west of North Toronto used to be filled with postwar bungalows but since the 1990s they've been replaced by custom built larger homes.

The "two cultures" split is pretty evident around Avenue Rd. and Lawrence Ave. East of there is North Toronto, just west of there is the heart of Orthodox Jewish Toronto.

In the U.S., the inverse is usually true, with Orthodox preferring the older neighborhoods, but that makes sense, because schools in Canada are usually roughly equally desirable, while U.S. schools are highly variable, so Orthodox value well-located areas with poor schools higher than secular Jews, who are mostly suburbanized in high performing districts. Orthodox have no need to pay a premium and sacrifice distance for an amenity they'll never use.

Also relative walkability is fairly flat in Canada but highly variable in U.S. Hard to be Orthodox without sidewalks.

So, for example, Orthodox in Detroit are in Oak Park and older parts of Southfield, well-located and semi-walkable but poor schools, while secular Jews are in Bloomfield Township/West Bloomfield, further out, high ranked schools and unwalkable.

NYC is a bit of an outlier in that there are very fast-growing exurban Orthodox enclaves, but that's more an affordability issues. The Orthodox strongholds like Borough Park, Midwood and Crown Heights are extremely expensive. And the exurban enclaves (Lakewood, Monsey, Kiryas Joel) are generally fairly walkable and built densely, with strong transit links to the traditional enclaves. They're basically bedroom communities for those priced out.

[Crawford]

Originally Posted by Docere

I've noticed a bit of a difference between lawyers and doctors/dentists in terms of neighborhood preference as well. Lawyers seem to like the older North Toronto districts, while there are a lot of medical people in York Mills. Forest Hill has a good number of both.

Lawyers probably work downtown, doctors don't. Decentralized employment probably means decentralized living.

[Docere]

Qualification: Shouldn't have said "newer" neighborhoods - meant that they bypass the sort of neo-Tudor wealthy areas (like Forest Hill, North Toronto). The Bathurst-Lawrence area is 1950s suburbia, and fairly "urban" in a sense (lots of apartments, walkable commercial and so on) - I suspect you'd get a similar feel in the Orthodox areas of Rogers Park in Chicago and in Park Heights, Baltimore. But on the side streets the 50s bungalows have been replaced by newer larger homes.

But a lot of Orthodox Jews also live in Thornhill. A lot of it was built in the 1980s by an Orthodox developer catering to the Orthodox community, so you do have sidewalks there and some walkability there.

[Docere]

Originally Posted by Crawford

Lawyers probably work downtown, doctors don't. Decentralized employment probably means decentralized living.

That too.

[JAYNYC]

Originally Posted by muppet

^blimmin eck. Nowadays they look like this, blending in effortlessly with your common man, yes:

^ This photo wasn't shot in London, nor in the UK for that matter.

It was shot in front of 520 W. 27th Street in NYC: https://goo.gl/maps/hLnsZBS9kqmCetp27

[badrunner]

Nor is that a real princess, or a real woman for that matter

[Docere]

Most common (mode) period of construction, approx. distance to City Hall:

1. Tract 86 (North Rosedale) $419,676 Before 1946 3 miles north
2. Tract 266 (Hoggs Hollow) $331,626 1946-1960 7 miles north
3. Tract 264 (Bridle Path) $318,137 1961-1970 7 miles north
4. Tract 130 (Forest Hill) $308,615 Before 1946 3 miles north
5. Tract 265 (Blythwood) $287,087 1946-1960 6 miles north
6. Tract 86 (South Rosedale) $277,684 Before 1946 2 miles north
7. Tract 89 (Yorkville) $269,374 2000-2010 1.5 miles north
8. Tract 125 (Moore Park) $261,800 Before 1946 3 miles north
9. Tract 119 (South Hill) $241,017 Before 1946 2.5 miles north
10. Tract 140 (Lytton Park) $231,594 Before 1946 5 miles north
11. Tract 602 (SE Oakville) $224,044 1946-1960 22 miles west
12. Tract 229 (The Kingsway) $216,462 Before 1946 7 miles west
13. Tract 138 (Lawrence Park) $216,206 Before 1946 5 miles north

The list of wealthiest tracts incidentally isn't really that different that would of been in 1960, Yorkville being the glaring exception.

[Jelly Roll]

Originally Posted by McBane

Philadelphia has 5 main pockets of wealth within its metro:

1. Center City, but specifically Rittenhouse Square and Society Hill but also Fitler Square, Wash Square, and Logan Square. Obviously, very urban.

The next two are inner-rung suburbs, mostly older with a mix of enormous estates and small towns.

2. The storied Main Line suburbs starting at the NW city line and radiating west along Rt. 30 and the Paoli train line. Bala, Gladywn, Ardmore, Brywn Mawr, Haverford, Radnor, Villanova, Berwyn, Devon, Malvern. I'd also throw Newtown Square into that mix.

3. Germantown/Stenton Corridor. What? Starting from Chestnut and W. Mount Airy (within city limits) and including parts of Flourtown, Fort Washington (Sheaff Lane), Whitemarsh (Andorra Road, Harts Lane), and Blue Bell (Ryan Howard lived here).

The last two are on the periphery of the metro area and have that wealthy rural feel to them - you know, rolling hills, winding country lanes, picket fences, gentleman's farms, etc.

4. Chester County "Horse Country" centered around Kennett Square, Chadds Ford, Popsocon (remember Bam Magera's house?!), and Longwood.

5. Bucks County along the Delaware, North of Newtown (wealthy in its own right but mostly overrun with McMansions), including Wrightstown, Buckingham, New Hope/Solebury, and Lahaska (Peddler's Village).

Also, I would not consider Greater Princeton to be a wealthy NYC suburb. It's really its own thing.

On the Jersey side it is Haddonfield, Cherry Hill, Moorestown, Mount Laurel, Medford with Evesham and Voorhees getting an honorable mention.

[Docere]

Some Streetview pics of the York Mills area of Toronto - does it resemble any rich American suburbs or does it seem distinctly "Canadian"?

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.7590...7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.7587...7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.7265...7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.7341...7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.ca/maps/@43.73869...7i16384!8i8192

[Don't Be That Guy]

Originally Posted by Docere

Some Streetview pics of the York Mills area of Toronto - does it resemble any rich American suburbs or does it seem distinctly "Canadian"?

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.7590...7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.7587...7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.7265...7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.7341...7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.ca/maps/@43.73869...7i16384!8i8192

Those look like any generic rich North American suburb. Outside of local vernacular due to climate, residential architectural styles are about the same in the US and Canada. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the "plex" with exterior stairs found in Quebec is about the only distinctively Canadian residential style that I can think of.

[Docere]

Vancouver's CTs break kind of funny, so here are the highest income dissemination areas (subsections of CTs). Not surprisingly they are all on the West Side or the wealthy suburb of West Vancouver.

Average income:

ED 0934 (Tract 44, Point Grey) $337K
ED 3253 (Tract 21, Shaughnessy) $331K
ED 3254 (Tract 21, Shaughnessy) $320K
ED 0033 (Tract 132, West Vancouver) $293K
ED 0018 (Tract 132, West Vancouver) $249K
ED 0953 (Tract 8.02, Southlands) $233K
ED 0913 (Tract 24, Dunbar) $214K
ED 0933 (Tract 44, Point Grey) $207K

[Centropolis]

Originally Posted by Crawford

In the U.S., the inverse is usually true, with Orthodox preferring the older neighborhoods, but that makes sense, because schools in Canada are usually roughly equally desirable, while U.S. schools are highly variable, so Orthodox value well-located areas with poor schools higher than secular Jews, who are mostly suburbanized in high performing districts. Orthodox have no need to pay a premium and sacrifice distance for an amenity they'll never use.

Also relative walkability is fairly flat in Canada but highly variable in U.S. Hard to be Orthodox without sidewalks

i live in a mid-century neighborhood of an otherwise very pre-war suburb and for whatever reason it's the main orthodox neighborhood around st. louis. the affluent pre-war areas of my suburb tend to be reform or more secular. of course theres an eruv around the entire area so that isn't 100% and there are temples, etc all over the place. theres a secondary eruv in the western suburbs and its hard for me to imagine that is very orthodox. while the sidewalks are appropriately wide in the immediate blocks nearest temples, etc my immediate block or two has narrower suburban type sidewalks with a couple of small side streets with no sidewalks...everyone just walks in the street and theres so many people in the street that its just the norm.

[Jawnadelphia]

Originally Posted by Jelly Roll

On the Jersey side it is Haddonfield, Cherry Hill, Moorestown, Mount Laurel, Medford with Evesham and Voorhees getting an honorable mention.

And missing from the Philly metro list, is... Delaware!

The northwestern "Chateau Country" former DuPont estates all over-- Centreville and Greenville, Delaware. Lots of old money out here, and the Biden's!

https://www.visitdelaware.com/things...sions-gardens/

[Docere]

Originally Posted by Docere

Vancouver's CTs break kind of funny, so here are the highest income dissemination areas (subsections of CTs). Not surprisingly they are all on the West Side or the wealthy suburb of West Vancouver.

Average income:

ED 0934 (Tract 44, Point Grey) $337K
ED 3253 (Tract 21, Shaughnessy) $331K
ED 3254 (Tract 21, Shaughnessy) $320K
ED 0033 (Tract 132, West Vancouver) $293K
ED 0018 (Tract 132, West Vancouver) $249K
ED 0953 (Tract 8.02, Southlands) $233K
ED 0913 (Tract 24, Dunbar) $214K
ED 0933 (Tract 44, Point Grey) $207K

In Van, Kerrisdale, second and third Shaughnessy as well as the British Properties in West Van likely have more wealth than Census incomes suggest.

[COtoOC]

Apparently my zip code, 80238, is the wealthiest zip code in Colorado. This is within the city of Denver, the redevelopment of the old Stapleton airport.

It's not all mansions, although there are plenty of houses over $1M and even $1.5M, but the average houses are probably in the $700Ks to $800Ks on very small lots.