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View Poll Results: Which Chicago casino proposal is your favorite?
Ballys at Tribune 28 18.67%
Ballys at McCormick 8 5.33%
Hard Rock at One Central 11 7.33%
Rivers at The 78 82 54.67%
Rivers at McCormick 21 14.00%
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Old Posted Feb 9, 2024, 12:55 PM
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What a turd.
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I personally like the expanded River front space. There’s plenty of space for more skyscrapers on the site.
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Old Posted Feb 9, 2024, 3:33 PM
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I don't really care for the casino, I care more about the rest of the development being built
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Old Posted Feb 9, 2024, 3:40 PM
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The "expanded riverside" next to the Halsted bridge - what is called the north riverwalk garden in the site plans - is OK. At least it is people-focused and the 3-story glass wall behind it is a nice bookend. But just west of it is this awful suburban thing wrapped around the car dropoff. It's not even a garden, it's just designed to look green at 40mph.

Reminds me of the "urban" casino they tried building in Cincy. Actually that one's better since at least the plaza can host festivals and concerts. Bally's is just a giant bed of perennials that will be chopped out for ugly low-maintenance plants after one season.



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Old Posted Feb 9, 2024, 5:04 PM
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Really stunned at how far short the Bally's final product falls from the Rivers 78 proposal
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Old Posted Feb 9, 2024, 5:04 PM
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This is officially a turd before it even has broken ground. Oh well.
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Old Posted Feb 9, 2024, 5:16 PM
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Mabey they have time to relocate it to the old Rainforest Cafe. Is that building still standing?



They could plop a motel on top of it.

They could save the interior design and keep the menu and play slots under the elephant.


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Old Posted Feb 9, 2024, 5:57 PM
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It is truly terrible
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Old Posted Feb 9, 2024, 10:42 PM
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Very disappointing.

Revoke Bally's license to build out the River West site and simply keep them at the Medinah Temple. Find another more competent operator.

We are paying for Lightfoot's rushed decision.
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Old Posted Feb 11, 2024, 3:23 AM
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I’m all for skyscrapers and making this a landmark, but don’t you think you are overreacting? I mean, do you really think the local government is that interested in getting additional 500 footers? It seems to me the real catch in this project for the city is to get all the money from gambling taxes, and maybe a second priority is for this project to help the development of a riverwalk through the north branch of the river, plus another thing to do for people looking for entertainment. I don’t think the 500 footers are any priority from people outside this bubble, and I don’t think Bally’s proposal and whatever agreement they signed with the city is designed to enforce such a nuclear option because of that.

We need to realize that not all pases thrown by a quarterback will be aimed to the end zone, and not every project discussed in this chat will get the buildings we want. In this particular case, the hotel (and the height of the hotel) was a secondary thing. Revoking the license, and waiting another 5-10 years to get all the litigation resolved and a new project kickstarted, will not give us a better result. Investment and new attractions need to keep flowing to the city, waiting for the perfect project, the perfect proposal, the perfect conditions, is not always viable.
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Even with the hotel tower shifted, the revised site plan still calls for a good amount of high-rises, new road/sidewalk infrastructure and residential density. Let's hope they can pull it off:

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That triangular hotel tower in the image above used to be a giant parking garage with no tower. I understand the frustration with scrapping the showpiece as the future plan is not set in stone, but moving the tower might not be the worst thing for the overall development IMO.

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I’m all for skyscrapers and making this a landmark, but don’t you think you are overreacting? I mean, do you really think the local government is that interested in getting additional 500 footers? It seems to me the real catch in this project for the city is to get all the money from gambling taxes, and maybe a second priority is for this project to help the development of a riverwalk through the north branch of the river, plus another thing to do for people looking for entertainment. I don’t think the 500 footers are any priority from people outside this bubble, and I don’t think Bally’s proposal and whatever agreement they signed with the city is designed to enforce such a nuclear option because of that.

We need to realize that not all pases thrown by a quarterback will be aimed to the end zone, and not every project discussed in this chat will get the buildings we want. In this particular case, the hotel (and the height of the hotel) was a secondary thing. Revoking the license, and waiting another 5-10 years to get all the litigation resolved and a new project kickstarted, will not give us a better result. Investment and new attractions need to keep flowing to the city, waiting for the perfect project, the perfect proposal, the perfect conditions, is not always viable.
For me it is truly not about the tower itself. It is about the case of incompetent by both Bally's and the city for not realizing that such blueprints would be thoroughly unworkable in the first place.

Also, the new tier complex on the roof looks extremely awkward and buffonish. Maybe, in actuality, it won't be so bad, but from the renders, it looks like a cartoonish mismatch with the original building mass.

As Ardecila alluded to, the whole car drop-off area looks like it is a disaster that serves as a moat and anti-urban to the extreme. Unless the landscaping is somehow far more integrated with Chicago Ave. than it seems to look in the renders, it will look like an awkward fortress behind a wall of greenery. Then, once you are in the traffic circle, you will be met with what looks like a cacophony of bad and unrefined signage (yes, I know it is a casino, but I still hope they could do better).
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Old Posted Feb 12, 2024, 7:04 PM
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They should just find or replicate one of the old Chicago Sun-Times signs to appease the old timers. Then it can be said to be preserving heritage with the design.
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For me it is truly not about the tower itself. It is about the case of incompetent by both Bally's and the city for not realizing that such blueprints would be thoroughly unworkable in the first place.

Also, the new tier complex on the roof looks extremely awkward and buffonish. Maybe, in actuality, it won't be so bad, but from the renders, it looks like a cartoonish mismatch with the original building mass.

As Ardecila alluded to, the whole car drop-off area looks like it is a disaster that serves as a moat and anti-urban to the extreme. Unless the landscaping is somehow far more integrated with Chicago Ave. than it seems to look in the renders, it will look like an awkward fortress behind a wall of greenery. Then, once you are in the traffic circle, you will be met with what looks like a cacophony of bad and unrefined signage (yes, I know it is a casino, but I still hope they could do better).
Again, I’m pretty sure whatever agreement Bally’s and the city established was not centered around the hotel, nor the blueprint and renders showing the hotel were ever designed to be final. It will be normal for Bally’s to have presented certain conditions where they can build a hotel which can be preconditioned to having a certain amount of cashflow, demand, etc. If you think this throughly, if the casino is indeed successful, Bally’s will be the main interested party in building a big hotel anyway.

I’m not really trying to justify Bally’s, however, I do want to provide some context since we tend to extrapolate our idealistic pie-in the-sky thinking to other entities such as the city. The important things from a city perspective are the following:

1. Will the casino create an important revenue for the city considering the taxes obtained from gambling?

2. Will the casino bring investment to the city from the construction and operation that will create jobs for people?

3. Will the casino be successful in establishing themselves as another spot that will consolidate the nightlife and entertainment market in the city?

4. Will the project bring some development to an area that has the potential to expand the entertainment industry from Chicago outside of the River North & Loop neighborhoods?

5. Will the project be accompanied by investment in public spaces, transit and mixed used areas to achieve certain degree of sustainability?

6. Will the project be accepted and integrated by people living within the area? If not, what mitigation actions can be done to get a compromise from neighbors?

I think those are the major questions the city needs to ask. Aesthetics like the suburban feel of the main casino building or the motor lobby crappy design, or the lack of a 500 ft hotel, those are stuff that the city does not have as a priority. It’s ok to criticize the project from a forumer perspective, another thing is to come to a conclusion the project is not meeting the city needs and demanding a license revokal.

What really matters to me is for Chicago to keep getting some investments consolidated and continue expanding the attractions of the city.

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Again, I’m pretty sure whatever agreement Bally’s and the city established was not centered around the hotel, nor the blueprint and renders showing the hotel were ever designed to be final. It will be normal for Bally’s to have presented certain conditions where they can build a hotel which can be preconditioned to having a certain amount of cashflow, demand, etc. If you think this throughly, if the casino is indeed successful, Bally’s will be the main interested party in building a big hotel anyway.

I’m not really trying to justify Bally’s, however, I do want to provide some context since we tend to extrapolate our idealistic pie-in the-sky thinking to other entities such as the city. The important things from a city perspective are the following:

1. Will the casino create an important revenue for the city considering the taxes obtained from gambling?

2. Will the casino bring investment to the city from the construction and operation that will create jobs for people?

3. Will the casino be successful in establishing themselves as another spot that will consolidate the nightlife and entertainment market in the city?

4. Will the project bring some development to an area that has the potential to expand the entertainment industry from Chicago outside of the River North & Loop neighborhoods?

5. Will the project be accompanied by investment in public spaces, transit and mixed used areas to achieve certain degree of sustainability?

6. Will the project be accepted and integrated by people living within the area? If not, what mitigation actions can be done to get a compromise from neighbors?

I think those are the major questions the city needs to ask. Aesthetics like the suburban feel of the main casino building or the motor lobby crappy design, or the lack of a 500 ft hotel, those are stuff that the city does not have as a priority. It’s ok to criticize the project from a forumer perspective, another thing is to come to a conclusion the project is not meeting the city needs and demanding a license revokal.

What really matters to me is for Chicago to keep getting some investments consolidated and continue expanding the attractions of the city.
Really good analysis, thank you.
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LMAOOOOO

Bally's hunting for $800 million to kick off Chicago casino project
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Bally's says it will begin demolishing the Chicago Tribune's Freedom Center printing plant this summer to clear the way for its Chicago casino and hotel complex along the Chicago River, but the gambling giant is still trying to secure $800 million it needs to move forward with construction.

That's the size of the "funding gap" the Providence, R.I.-based casino company is working to close as it prepares to take control of the Tribune site, a top company executive said earlier this week.
https://www.chicagobusiness.com/comm...casino-project
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Yay for our permanent casino in River North!!!!!
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Didn't they say that Chicagoans would have a chance to invest. I thought that was a brilliant idea, not because they would raise all the money they need that way, but because it would make a lot more people feel invested in the success of the casino.
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So close! Only $800M short.

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Bally's hunting for $800 million to kick off Chicago casino project

https://www.chicagobusiness.com/comm...casino-project
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