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Old Posted Aug 4, 2011, 3:57 AM
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This building is shockingly bland and unoriginal. And yet despite that it still manages to appear erratic. What happened to designing great, powerful towers? Smith and Gill have become derivative.
the tripod is the best way to build something this high.



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Waleed's Saudi Mega Tower is Even Cooler Than You Think



As reported in Financial Times today, Prince Waleed is building the world’s tallest building in Saudi Arabia. As he was my boss for quite a long time, and I was pretty involved in this project, I thought I would highlight some of its really cool aspects.

And make no mistake. Waleed’s “super awesome mega tower” is the greatest real estate project ever attempted.

Cool Factoid #1: The tower could reach one mile.

That would be 1,600 meters, almost double the height of Dubai’s 828m Burj Khalifa. The exact height for Waleed's tower has been analyzed internally for years. It was recently reported as above 1,000m but the discussions have also included the one mile scenario. This would be an interesting move as the natural next step for an ultra-tall skyscraper would something at around 1,000 meters. But with a mile tower, Waleed could effectively jump a generation (and create a truly one-of-a-kind structure).

A quick note: Everything that is written here (or anywhere else by me) about Waleed / KHC is strictly limited to information that is already widely known. I am a loyal guy. There are no personal or inside stories here.

Cool Factoid #2: It’s not a tower. It’s a city in the sky.

Everyone knows what a building is. You come in, go up the elevators and then leave. And a skyscraper is just a really tall version of this. Offices. Retail in the podium. A hotel. Maybe some apartments.

But when you start building to 1,000 meters and above, it becomes something different. Vertical transportation is a big factor. You can’t just go down and leave for lunch. A mega tower is not just two (or three) 500 meter towers stuck together. It is something new.

A structure of this height most resembles a city in the sky. You live and work in it. And it’s so big you can put city-like things in it – such as museums and shopping centers. You can create parks up in the clouds. Very cool.

Cool Factoid #3: The tower is just one part of an entire city Waleed is building.

The development covers an entire peninsula and creates an entire new city on the north side of Jeddah. Early models have shown Park Avenue-like thoroughfares, waterfront apartment high-rises, harbors, intersecting waterways, and maybe even a university. It is effectively a new city with the mega tower as its symbol.

Cool Factoid #4: The tower sits at the front of a new Sydney-like harbor.

Iconic structures always look better on the water. But the tower is in the center of the new city and there aren’t a lot of lakes in Saudi Arabia. So Waleed is building a new harbor into the center of the development and connecting it by waterways to the Red Sea. This will allow the tower to sit at the front of a Sydney-like harbor. It is really spectacular and you can find published pictures of it online.

Cool Factoid #5: The fire escape plan may require parachutes

Building such a tall structure creates lots of interesting questions. What do you do about the swaying? (It moves a lot) Does it poke into the nearby airspace? (Yes) And what do you do for a fire escape given the vertical transportation problems? Parachutes? It's a fascinating project.

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The Middle East has gotten a lot of flak about some of its mega-real estate projects. Many were petrodollar fueled extravaganzas. Many were short-term speculation. And true, Dubai got way out of control for a while.

But Waleed, like Buffett, is a value investor (mostly). If he’s moving forward with a project of this scale, he is not speculating. It’s not government money doing something stupid. He’s operating as a businessman in the private markets - and he’s making his returns by creating (and capturing) real economic value. It’s the real thing.

To do a project like this is pretty great. But to do it based on solid economics (and a healthy ROI) is particularly impressive.
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its not a helipad !!

Was the sky terrace a demand from the owner, or is it something you're happy with having on the building?

The idea started out as a helipad, and we came up with the projected, cantilevered dish. And then we started talking to pilots and they said, 'Well, up at that height it's going to be pretty difficult to land.' But the owner and we liked it so much that we thought we'd keep it as a sky terrace. It'll have a little garden; don't forget, six months of the year here it's a beautiful climate. The winter here, temperature wise, is a lot like living in California. read more:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_916207.html
I think it's still kinda weird how it just juts out from the tower. I think the guy might make more money if he involves mass transit in his design for the city.
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A while back someone said that this tower would fulfill an Islamic prophecy about the Muslim world building the world's tallest tower (Burj Khalifa) and then building an even taller one (Kingdom Tower). Supposedly this is written in the Koran.

Does anyone know more about this?
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A while back someone said that this tower would fulfill an Islamic prophecy about the Muslim world building the world's tallest tower (Burj Khalifa) and then building an even taller one (Kingdom Tower). Supposedly this is written in the Koran.

Does anyone know more about this?
Somebody must have known the ME had giant oil reserves.
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A while back someone said that this tower would fulfill an Islamic prophecy about the Muslim world building the world's tallest tower (Burj Khalifa) and then building an even taller one (Kingdom Tower). Supposedly this is written in the Koran.

Does anyone know more about this?
its not in the Qur'an (Gods words) its in the Hadith (the prophet's sayings) 1432 years ago:

it goes something like this : "when you see barefoot, unclothed, beginning shepherds competing in the construction of tall buildings."

he means when the ppl who were bedwins once (they used to be poor and living int he desert) start to compete in building tall structures, its a sign that judgment day is near... the fact that abraj al bait (second tallest) is in makkah is scary...
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its a "sign" of judgment day, doing it is not a "sin"..... but yeah better figure out why you where created before you die and its too late..
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Couldn't radiation be a problem at the highest parts of the tower? I know pilots are only allowed to fly a certain amount of time each week because you are exposed to more radiation as you ascend higher. Is this tall enough to be considered a potential hazard?
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naw, there are cities at a higher elevation than this tower (like Denver)
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are those glass floors???

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^I assumed that when I first saw these. But now that you mention it, I'm not so sure. I like how the railing juts out (or perhaps the solid barrier angles down to nothing) and you'll be able to look straight down from outside, not through glass.
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lol, I love the map! really shows how this is being built in the middle of nowhere

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this is the Kingdom Tower + Kingdom city location, between Jeddah (on the right-south) and the new economic city (on the left north)



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On singularity hub i was reading that this has started construction.
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Thats an interesting project thats for sure. Saw it making news around the net. One word. Tall. he he...
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its a "sign" of judgment day, doing it is not a "sin"..... but yeah better figure out why you where created before you die and its too late..
granted that people were created, and also that this isn't a perfectly understandable coincidence that was bound to happen anyway...
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granted that people were created, and also that this isn't a perfectly understandable coincidence that was bound to happen anyway...
we are talking 1400 years ago, notice the other details on who is competing in building it. plus there are 50+ signs.. all of them have happened in the past 50 years... anyways these things are debatable, and they are not that "important" to know "as a muslim" ..... back to topic
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Kingdom aims to overtake Burj Khalifa as tallest tower in 5 years

Kingdom Tower will feature a Four Seasons hotel, luxury condominiums and offices

By APPublished Sunday, August 07, 2011



The investment company headed by Saudi billionaire Prince Alwaleed bin Talal says it plans to complete the world's tallest tower in just over five years time.

The Kingdom Holding Co did not say Sunday when work would begin on the Kingdom Tower.

The $1.2 billion tower will be roughly two-thirds of a mile (1 kilometer) high. It is part of a $20 billion mega project on the outskirts of the Red Sea city of Jiddah.

The tower will be built by the Saudi Binladen Group construction conglomerate. It will cost $400 million and feature a Four Seasons hotel, luxury condominiums and offices that encompass around 5.4 million square feet.

http://www.emirates247.com/news/emir...08-07-1.411790
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