Transit Fantasies - Page 115

Bdawe · #**2281** Posted **May 7, 2021, 4:30 AM**

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Originally Posted by officedweller

WCE commuter trains run only 4 or 5 trains in morning rush hour at 30 min intervals and 4 or 5 trains in the afternoon rush hour at 30 min intervals.
that won't serve a lot of peoples' needs.

A great example of how that is that until the Evergreen Line opened, the WCE had more passengers on two peak-hour trains than the whole Millennium Line at it's busiest point during that same hour, but over the course of the day the Millennium Line would carry 8 times as many passengers as the WCE because the WCE serves such a limited window of trips.

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Wouldn't the stop-start be an issue as well? As I understand it, trains like the WCE take significantly longer to get up to and slow down from speed for stations

You'd fix that with multiple units, modernized budd cars of a sort, or electrification.

If we are going to put serious resources into WCE expansion, we should be talking about service to the NE Sector, Mission and Abbotsford all day, half hourly or better

trofirhen · #**2282** Posted **May 7, 2021, 6:10 AM**

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Originally Posted by Bdawe

If we are going to put serious resources into WCE expansion, we should be talking about service to the NE Sector, Mission and Abbotsford all day, half hourly or better

Thank you!! Thank you !! Yes! A voice of reason. Do it right, and the TOD will follow!

officedweller · #**2283** Posted **May 7, 2021, 10:36 PM**

... and then you have Ottawa scrapping their 3 old Diesel Multiple-Unit (DMU) O-Trains because they couldn't even sell them!!

City's original O-Train Bombardier vehicles heading for the scrap heap
https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local...the-scrap-heap

swimmer_spe · #**2284** Posted **May 7, 2021, 11:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by officedweller

... and then you have Ottawa scrapping their 3 old Diesel Multiple-Unit (DMU) O-Trains because they couldn't even sell them!!

City's original O-Train Bombardier vehicles heading for the scrap heap
https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local...the-scrap-heap

If the E&N was still running the Dayliner, these would be good to bring to the Island to add times for commuting between Victoria and Duncan.

officedweller · #**2285** Posted **May 7, 2021, 11:11 PM**

I don't think they are certified to 'mingle' with freight trains.
The line where they ran in Ottawa was dedicated to them.

swimmer_spe · #**2286** Posted **May 7, 2021, 11:15 PM**

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Originally Posted by officedweller

I don't think they are certified to 'mingle' with freight trains.
The line where they ran in Ottawa was dedicated to them.

Good thing that nothing is running now...

Set the schedules up so that freight south of Duncan doesn't happen unless it is when those aren't running.

Migrant_Coconut · #**2287** Posted **May 7, 2021, 11:26 PM**

We'd also need about $600 million just to get to Langford - the E&N's in pretty bad shape.

swimmer_spe · #**2288** Posted **May 7, 2021, 11:34 PM**

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Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

We'd also need about $600 million just to get to Langford - the E&N's in pretty bad shape.

Yes? So, figure $2 billion with the price of these coaches and the repairs to the line and finally the traffic would move again in Victoria.

Migrant_Coconut · #**2289** Posted **May 7, 2021, 11:37 PM**

So spending billions on Langley is a waste of money, but tiny little Duncan isn't? Pull the other one - buses will do just fine.

swimmer_spe · #**2290** Posted **May 7, 2021, 11:42 PM**

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Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

So spending billions on Langley is a waste of money, but tiny little Duncan isn't? Pull the other one.

It isn't that Langley is or isn't a waste of money, but it has to do with having stable and reliable transportation. The Malahat seems to close at least once a week, especially in the winter. By going to Duncan you not only relieve the congestion in the CRD, but you also make it safer for commuters north of the Malahat.

Migrant_Coconut · #**2291** Posted **May 7, 2021, 11:51 PM**

Fraser Highway closes in the winter, as do Broadway and 10th. The Island needs reliable transit, sure, but we need to weigh the needs of forty thousand (population of Duncan and Langford) against the needs of half a million.

Bdawe · #**2292** Posted **May 8, 2021, 12:06 AM**

IMO they should have done something like that with the E&N- the study they commissioned was sandbagged to hell.

The E&N hits almost all the towns on the island right in their centres, doesn't encourage sprawl or traffic congestion.

swimmer_spe · #**2293** Posted **May 8, 2021, 2:04 PM**

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Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Fraser Highway closes in the winter, as do Broadway and 10th. The Island needs reliable transit, sure, but we need to weigh the needs of forty thousand (population of Duncan and Langford) against the needs of half a million.

The difference is that the only way to detour around the Malahat is either a ferry ride from Brentwood Bay or a 3 hour drive to Port Renfrew.

Migrant_Coconut · #**2294** Posted **May 8, 2021, 4:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

The difference is that the only way to detour around the Malahat is either a ferry ride from Brentwood Bay or a 3 hour drive to Port Renfrew.

Much better then, we're weighing the needs of four thousand against half a million.

swimmer_spe · #**2295** Posted **May 8, 2021, 5:49 PM**

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Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Much better then, we're weighing the needs of four thousand against half a million.

When that highway closes, nothing moves through it. It is more than a number of people argument.

Migrant_Coconut · #**2296** Posted **May 8, 2021, 6:40 PM**

And all of the Sunshine Coast relies on two ferries; blowing two SkyTrains' worth on a road link is a non-starter. Likewise, unless the feds are feeling real generous, the 800-ish drivers in the Cowichan will unfortunately have to queue behind everyone else.

deasine · #**2297** Posted **May 17, 2021, 3:41 AM**

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Originally Posted by officedweller

... and then you have Ottawa scrapping their 3 old Diesel Multiple-Unit (DMU) O-Trains because they couldn't even sell them!!

City's original O-Train Bombardier vehicles heading for the scrap heap
https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local...the-scrap-heap

Surely we could use another demonstration Streetcar

cganuelas1995 · #**2298** Posted **Jun 17, 2021, 7:12 PM**

Would be cool if the possible future Innovia Metro 400 was double ended like the NYC subway and Toronto subway cars but connected together with open gangways. Hopefully sometime after the last Mark I's are retired, TransLink does a procurement for something like that to complement the longer platforms they are exploring.

xd_1771 · #**2299** Posted **Jun 17, 2021, 9:38 PM**

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Originally Posted by cganuelas1995

Would be cool if the possible future Innovia Metro 400 was double ended like the NYC subway and Toronto subway cars but connected together with open gangways. Hopefully sometime after the last Mark I's are retired, TransLink does a procurement for something like that to complement the longer platforms they are exploring.

The 300 (Mark IIIs) that we already have are double-ended and connected with open gangways across all 4 cars. The next-gen 5-car consists we'll get will be the same.

trofirhen · #**2300** Posted **Jun 17, 2021, 11:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by xd_1771

The 300 (Mark IIIs) that we already have are double-ended and connected with open gangways across all 4 cars. The next-gen 5-car consists we'll get will be the same.

The new generation Mk III trains are great !! What I'm waiting for is the original Mark 1s to get phased out. The're like toys, almost.