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That's exactly what it is.

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It's going to be a real mess if they ever decide to build a bridge and reconnect the old Trim roads.
We have a mess of Trims to trim. If they build rebuild the overpass, they should just rename the entire street to Cardinal Creek Community Park to Tweddle.
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Planning committee approves 4 towers near Petrie Island despite environmental questions
Community groups raised concerns about flooding and proximity to a wetland

Matthew Kupfer · CBC News
Posted: Oct 27, 2022 6:28 PM ET | Last Updated: 1 hour ago




The city's planning committee voted to approve a zoning amendment that would allow for four towers to be built near Petrie Island despite hearing concerns about flooding and environmental impact.

The four towers will range in height from 24 to 32 storeys and include 950 apartments, shops and office space near the Trim Road LRT station.

While it may provide an opportunity for transit-oriented development, it's also right up against a wetland that's been declared provincially significant and that raised environmental questions.

Barbara Ramsay, chair of Community Associations for Environmental Stability (CAFES), raised concerns about construction, runoff and flooding — showing an architectural rendering of the site next to a photo of the 2019 floods.

"This is not climate change as we try to imagine it 20 years from now. This has happened already on this site and really what we have on this site is a wetland," Ramsay said.

John Smit, a retired veteran of the city's planning office who is consulting for the developer, told committee the plan is to build the towers on a platform that matches the elevation of Jeanne-D'Arc Boulevard.

"The structure itself will not be impacted by flood waters in the future. We'll be undertaking appropriate flood-proofing of anything that's below grade," Smit said.

While developments normally have to be set back 120 metres from a provincially significant wetland, city staff said the Rideau Valley Conservation Authority (RVCA) supported the planned 30 metre set back with mitigation measures.

The RVCA has not responded to CBC's request for comment.

Kanata North Coun. Cathy Curry told the committee while she had concerns about the changing assessment of flood risk, she felt the application was strong and other environmental issues could be addressed in the site plan process.

She also said she spoke to local councillor Matthew Luloff, who is not on planning committee, about potential benefits of the proposal.

Miguel Tremblay, speaking for the proponent, said they're still doing extensive studies ahead of the site plan application to identify and address other environmental concerns with the site.

"There are potentially slope stability issues that need to be addressed and studied," Tremblay said.

The vote was carried 7-2, with councillors Jeff Leiper and Shawn Menard opposed.



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Old Posted Nov 9, 2022, 11:06 PM
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City council approves zoning amendment for proposed four-tower development near Petrie Island
The proposal for the property on Tweddle Road is now pitching a maximum of four towers with variations in height between 20 and 35 storeys, each on podiums between four and six storeys tall.

Joanne Laucius, Ottawa Citizen
Nov 09, 2022 • 59 minutes ago • 4 minute read




Ottawa city council has approved a zoning amendment to allow for up to four residential towers as much as 35 storeys tall to be built near Petrie Island in Orléans.

The proposal for the property on Tweddle Road is now pitching a maximum of four towers with variations in height between 20 and 35 storeys, each on podiums between four and six storeys tall. The towers would be within walking distance of the Trim Road LRT station.

The proponent for the project is a numbered company from Quebec. According to its plans, the property would include accessible space providing views of the Ottawa River and opportunities to link public space to Tweddle Road with the intent of creating a “gateway” for pedestrians and cyclists.

The city received about 120 comments from the public about the proposal to allow for up to four towers, including concerns about the scale of the project and worries about the possibility of flooding or landslides, as well as damage to the Ottawa River and its ecology.

The site is only 30 metres from the boundary of a provincially significant wetland and near Petrie Island, home to wildlife including the threatened Blanding’s Turtle.

In a joint open letter to council, the Community Associations for Environmental Sustainability, Ecology Ottawa, the Greater Avalon Community Association and the Greenspace Alliance of Canada’s Capital urged councillors to refuse to approve the amendment.

“Developing this site for all of Ottawa as a natural reserve and protected wetland with appropriate recreational use is a better forward–looking alternative with benefits for all of Ottawa,” they said.

Orléans Coun. Matthew Luloff said the application has been ongoing for over two years. He said he has received a lot of emails about the site containing “much misinformation.”

“Staff have set a very high bar for this application,” he told council.

“The zoning that was requested was to bring the property in line with the official plan, and the Orléans secondary plan — the latter of which, by the way, was passed unanimously by this council. This specific property was identified in the secondary plan for this type of development.”

Members of the city’s planning committee, which voted in favour of the zoning amendment on Oct. 27, also fielded concerns.

River Ward Coun. Riley Brockington said delegations have brought forward some legitimate concerns, including flood risk.

“Obviously we don’t want a major development built here and then be submerged the next time we have a freshet in the spring,” said Brockington.

Capital Ward Coun. Shawn Menard, who is also on the planning committee, told council he heard concerns about flooding, landslide risk and disturbance to wildlife.

Menard presented a motion to council, which passed, that a landslide risk assessment be updated to the satisfaction of the Rideau Valley Conservation Authority.

According to the city, the landowners have indicated apartments will be rented at market value, but city staff will continue to discuss opportunities for affordable housing as part of the site plan control approval process.

City staff say the site will be 30 feet above the existing floodplain line. Building heights will be in accordance with the Orléans corridor secondary plan. All urban development will remain out of the lands deemed environmentally significant, including the woodlands and wetlands.

Paul Johanis, chair of the Greenspace Alliance of Canada’s Capital, said there were some small victories in council’s decision on Wednesday, including Menard’s motion for an updated landslide risk assessment.

The Greenspace Alliance had proposed that the city suggest a land swap, with the project proponent swapping the Tweddle Road land on the river for a nearby city works yard on Jeanne d’Arc Boulevard that now contains storage for road salt. While the city site would require remediation because of the salt, the towers would no longer be on the river, it said.

There has been no response to the proposal, but Johanis is hopeful that a new mayor and council may see things differently.

“Maybe the matter will be re-opened, said Johanis. “They have to get different studies done. It’s a big change in council, so who knows?”

One of the things that concerns Johanis is the growing number of apartment towers in the proposal. When he first heard about project, he said there were two proposed towers, and then a third was added. He said he only learned about the fourth tower nine days before the planning committee meeting on Oct. 27.

Luloff noted that no buildings were approved Wednesday and no buildings would be approved until the site plan review.

“And should they be approved, it will be because the applicant has met or exceeded the requirements set forth by legislation and the Rideau Valley Conservation Authority,” he said.

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The second height increase in Ottawa in 24 hours. I think developers are feeling empowered by the province right now. This is good...very good. It took an entire generation to get NIMBYs in this city to accept anything over 30 stories, but their power is fading fast.
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We rubber stamp these towers in a park next to the river (sensitive area and prone to flooding) at the edge of Orleans with nothing nearby but a park-and-ride a few hundred metres away but don't approve of a high-density urban development inside the greenbelt with retail & LRT at its doorsteps???? (looking at you 1047 Richmond Road).

Just goes to show how there's often no rhyme or reason for council's decisions, it's all about height (which are arbitrary numbers).. anything below 35 or 32 stories is automatically approved, anything over is rejected.
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We rubber stamp these towers in a park next to the river (sensitive area and prone to flooding) at the edge of Orleans with nothing nearby but a park-and-ride a few hundred metres away but don't approve of a high-density urban development inside the greenbelt with retail & LRT at its doorsteps???? (looking at you 1047 Richmond Road).

Just goes to show how there's often no rhyme or reason for council's decisions, it's all about height (which are arbitrary numbers).. anything below 35 or 32 stories is automatically approved, anything over is rejected.
Yep. Keep in mind not one member of planning committee or city council for that matter have any background in city planning or land development whatsoever. These large city changing decisions are being made by a bunch of ignoramuses who are dressed up playing house. It is an obscenely backwards system.
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It is next to the river and to an area that is prone to flooding.

It is not in the river.

It is not on the area that is prone to flooding.

I am begging everyone to look at a map.
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It is next to the river and to an area that is prone to flooding.

It is not in the river.

It is not on the area that is prone to flooding.

I am begging everyone to look at a map.
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Why is there no retail component to any of the development in this area? Surely with the added density there would be demand for convenient neighbourhood shops? The closest retail is a 20 minute walk away on the other side of the park and ride, and even then, there's not really much to speak of.
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Why is there no retail component to any of the development in this area? Surely with the added density there would be demand for convenient neighbourhood shops? The closest retail is a 20 minute walk away on the other side of the park and ride, and even then, there's not really much to speak of.
Probably because of the large mall, shopping area, and no frills a two minute train ride away, plus hundreds of stores on Innes a five minute drive away.
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It is next to the river and to an area that is prone to flooding.

It is not in the river.

It is not on the area that is prone to flooding.

I am begging everyone to look at a map.
This might come as a surprise to you but 100% of areas that flood are next to rivers & areas prone to flooding.

If you look at the picture posted by rocketphish, you would see that the land where this proposal is supposed to go was affected by past floods and is partly submerged.
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Probably because of the large mall, shopping area, and no frills a two minute train ride away, plus hundreds of stores on Innes a five minute drive away.
I don't mean big box stores, clothing stores or fast food. I mean space for a corner store or a restaurant/pub or a pharmacy. Things that will be frequented by local residents and people walking from the train station to the beach. Seems like it would add to the livability of the area and make it more desirable for people buying there.
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This might come as a surprise to you but 100% of areas that flood are next to rivers & areas prone to flooding.

If you look at the picture posted by rocketphish, you would see that the land where this proposal is supposed to go was affected by past floods and is partly submerged.
Seems there are some legitimate concerns on this one. The land swap proposed by the Greenspace Alliance should be considered, both from an ecological perspective, but also to get development closer to the station and a skybridge for the north side of the highway.

And yes, clearly this site is prone to flooding. Even if they build it higher and it's protected from that flooding, the water needs to go somewhere and might go further inland if this development is built.

Glad to see the proposal has some retail (3,485 square metres). Hoping for a Shoppers at the very least, providing pharmacy and basic grocery essentials.

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We rubber stamp these towers in a park next to the river (sensitive area and prone to flooding) at the edge of Orleans with nothing nearby but a park-and-ride a few hundred metres away but don't approve of a high-density urban development inside the greenbelt with retail & LRT at its doorsteps???? (looking at you 1047 Richmond Road).

Just goes to show how there's often no rhyme or reason for council's decisions, it's all about height (which are arbitrary numbers).. anything below 35 or 32 stories is automatically approved, anything over is rejected.
1047 Richmond Road was approved. Even Leiper switched his vote from Planning after the developer agreed to provide transit passes to tenants of the building for a certain amount of time.
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I don't think 1047 Richmond has been approved....
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I don't think 1047 Richmond has been approved....
Got mixed-up with 1071 Ambleside. My bad.
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Seems there are some legitimate concerns on this one. The land swap proposed by the Greenspace Alliance should be considered, both from an ecological perspective, but also to get development closer to the station and a skybridge for the north side of the highway.
The City will inevitably sell/develop the maintenance yard anyway. That maintenance yard is included as future development in the Orleans Corridor Secondary Plan. Why swap, why not both?
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The City will inevitably sell/develop the maintenance yard anyway. That maintenance yard is included as future development in the Orleans Corridor Secondary Plan. Why swap, why not both?
If there is an environmental concern with the proposed site, and there seems to be legitimate reason for thinking that, then a land swap would be desirable.
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