Edmonton Roads

[Airboy]

Originally Posted by 240glt

It's funny that the Whitecourt Shell station possibly has the best gas station bathroom in Canada yet the Shell in Hinton very possibly had the worst one.

even the Petro Canada in Hinton is sketchy.

[240glt]

Originally Posted by Airboy

even the Petro Canada in Hinton is sketchy.

We usually stop for fuel at the Esso just before you hit town. The bathroom is alright but the coffee is terrible!

[the.tru.albertan]

Originally Posted by feepa

WE can thank the PC government for that here. Flush with money, instead of building infrastructure projects in a proactive manner, we were handing out ralph bucks.

No. We can thank all levels of government over a long history in this province. A budget with two programs taking up like 60+% of it. And no one willing to pay user based fees.

And the saga will continue until meaningful change happens.

Like I said, reactive instead of proactive. Incompetence.

[feepa]

all levels of government?

It's mostly the provincial government that is responsible for provincial infrastructure, and outside of 2015-2019, that has all been under one parties control for nearly 50 years. Good news! that party is now back in power promising all sorts of infrastructure cuts! Hooray!


When you cut money out of the infrastructure budget (which is used to pay/maintain) to pay down a fiscal debt/deficit, you are only shifting your debt from monetary to physical (infrastructure)

[the.tru.albertan]

Originally Posted by feepa

all levels of government?

It's mostly the provincial government that is responsible for provincial infrastructure, and outside of 2015-2019, that has all been under one parties control for nearly 50 years. Good news! that party is now back in power promising all sorts of infrastructure cuts! Hooray!


When you cut money out of the infrastructure budget (which is used to pay/maintain) to pay down a fiscal debt/deficit, you are only shifting your debt from monetary to physical (infrastructure)

This is an issue that extends all the way down from the Feds to local, municipal government. Has been this way for a long time.

Tax revenue, grants, debt, all of that.

[Landlocked]

Originally Posted by the.tru.albertan

This is an issue that extends all the way down from the Feds to local, municipal government. Has been this way for a long time.

Tax revenue, grants, debt, all of that.

Shame on you for distributing blame amongst all of the participants instead of just a party you don't align with.

Seriously though, you're missing out on the bureaucrats that hold positions under every level of politician. The ones that stay in the system regardless who is in power and make choices on what information to pass upwards to ensure they get the decision they want approved. Same goes for the people under them. There are good civil servants and politicians, but there are also plenty with agendas that have nothing to do with serving the tax paying public properly.

[feepa]

Pretty easy to see where the problem is. The Feds are not responsible for provincial infrastructure funding, and local authorities require funding from the province.

It all boils down the the decision makers, the elected officials.

Good on you for keeping the wool over your eyes, and cheering on more infrastructure cuts (ie: bigger infrastructure debt)

[Landlocked]

Originally Posted by feepa

Pretty easy to see where the problem is. The Feds are not responsible for provincial infrastructure funding, and local authorities require funding from the province.

It all boils down the the decision makers, the elected officials.

Good on you for keeping the wool over your eyes, and cheering on more infrastructure cuts (ie: bigger infrastructure debt)

So you're comfortable with a federal government that taxes gasoline in 3 separate ways, including a tax on a tax? A government that places that revenue in general revenue coffers to avoid accountable or equitable spending. But then when the roadways that are supposed to be funded by those taxes are underfunded it's the sole fault of the municipalities and/or province?

[Airboy]

Originally Posted by Landlocked

So you're comfortable with a federal government that taxes gasoline in 3 separate ways, including a tax on a tax? A government that places that revenue in general revenue coffers to avoid accountable or equitable spending. But then when the roadways that are supposed to be funded by those taxes are underfunded it's the sole fault of the municipalities and/or province?

GoA taxes gas at 13.73 C/liter and that money goes into general revenue as well. Federal tax is 10c/l + GST.
https://www.nrcan.gc.ca/energy/fuel-prices/18885

[feepa]

Originally Posted by Landlocked

So you're comfortable with a federal government that taxes gasoline in 3 separate ways, including a tax on a tax? A government that places that revenue in general revenue coffers to avoid accountable or equitable spending. But then when the roadways that are supposed to be funded by those taxes are underfunded it's the sole fault of the municipalities and/or province?

I'm not sure why you are attempting to put words in my mouth, or move the goals posts.

Provincial infrastructure is the responsibility of the province... And the decision makers that have been in power have neglected to follow the advice of the administration on several counts, and have left Alberta in quite the infrastructure debt. There was some attempts to fix that in 2015-2019, but we are back to the same-old same-old again, except we aren't flush with royalty monies anymore.

[the.tru.albertan]

Originally Posted by feepa

Pretty easy to see where the problem is. The Feds are not responsible for provincial infrastructure funding, and local authorities require funding from the province.

It all boils down the the decision makers, the elected officials.

Good on you for keeping the wool over your eyes, and cheering on more infrastructure cuts (ie: bigger infrastructure debt)

Isn't there some massive Infrastructure fund that the Fed Libs have that saw Red Deer get 6 natural gas buses or something? Feds have money for infrastructure they just aren't really doing anything, well maybe they are, just not in Alberta.

[mintzilla]

construction started on the 135 street rearrangement near the henday ( as in traffic is affected on the Henday)

be careful driving by there. maniacs on the road seem to not understand the construction zone speed limit and will ride your ass the whole way through.

[Airboy]

Originally Posted by the.tru.albertan

Isn't there some massive Infrastructure fund that the Fed Libs have that saw Red Deer get 6 natural gas buses or something? Feds have money for infrastructure they just aren't really doing anything, well maybe they are, just not in Alberta.

Some of the Gas taxes go to roads.

https://www.canada.ca/en/office-infrastructure.html
https://www.infrastructure.gc.ca//plan/gtf-fte-eng.html

And there is even a page for what was funded in Alberta.
https://www.infrastructure.gc.ca/inv...ts/ab-eng.html

[feepa]

Originally Posted by the.tru.albertan

Isn't there some massive Infrastructure fund that the Fed Libs have that saw Red Deer get 6 natural gas buses or something? Feds have money for infrastructure they just aren't really doing anything, well maybe they are, just not in Alberta.

The feds may pitch in on projects here and there, but the provincial government is still responsible for provincial infrastructure, and the record shows that the previous orders of provincial government cut infrastructure spending, and we now have a huge infrastructure debt.

We had a carbon tax to fund green initiatives like LRT in Edmonton and Calgary, but I guess that's gone now too.

But hey, the top corporation in the province will get a (large) tax break. And we all know how well trickle down economics work. And it's not like large corporations are going to now cut prices to reflect the change in carbon tax, more money for their pockets while they complain about people making minimum wage...

[Jaws]

Any word on when the final leg of the Rabbit Hill Road twinning is to commence? It's supposed to be completed this fall and I'm surprised that the shovels aren't in the ground.

[feepa]

Ive heard June.

[EdmTrekker]

Originally Posted by feepa

The feds may pitch in on projects here and there, but the provincial government is still responsible for provincial infrastructure, and the record shows that the previous orders of provincial government cut infrastructure spending, and we now have a huge infrastructure debt.

We had a carbon tax to fund green initiatives like LRT in Edmonton and Calgary, but I guess that's gone now too.

But hey, the top corporation in the province will get a (large) tax break. And we all know how well trickle down economics work. And it's not like large corporations are going to now cut prices to reflect the change in carbon tax, more money for their pockets while they complain about people making minimum wage...

No need to run. Your comments are on the mark.

[the.tru.albertan]

Originally Posted by Airboy

Some of the Gas taxes go to roads.

https://www.canada.ca/en/office-infrastructure.html
https://www.infrastructure.gc.ca//plan/gtf-fte-eng.html

And there is even a page for what was funded in Alberta.
https://www.infrastructure.gc.ca/inv...ts/ab-eng.html

All of the gas tax should go towards roads. That's another major problem in this country. Taxes on certain things should go back to them. Instead they go to general revenue black hole.

Originally Posted by feepa

The feds may pitch in on projects here and there, but the provincial government is still responsible for provincial infrastructure, and the record shows that the previous orders of provincial government cut infrastructure spending, and we now have a huge infrastructure debt.

We had a carbon tax to fund green initiatives like LRT in Edmonton and Calgary, but I guess that's gone now too.

But hey, the top corporation in the province will get a (large) tax break. And we all know how well trickle down economics work. And it's not like large corporations are going to now cut prices to reflect the change in carbon tax, more money for their pockets while they complain about people making minimum wage...

Public healthcare is a burden on the provincial budget. Two tier healthcare would alleviate some of the burden and free up funds for other programs.

I don't want my carbon taxes funding Edmonton and Calgary while the rest of us get nothing. The rest of us fund C & E enough as it is.

Corp tax should be 6% or lower for diversification. If the left was serious about diversification, the small biz and corp tax would be zero.

[mintzilla]

^user name checks out

[feepa]

Originally Posted by the.tru.albertan

Public healthcare is a burden on the provincial budget. Two tier healthcare would alleviate some of the burden and free up funds for other programs.

Maybe you should move to the states. Universal Health care is one of the best things about Canada.

I don't want my carbon taxes funding Edmonton and Calgary while the rest of us get nothing.

Well good news, the carbon taxes go to a lot more than just Edmonton and Calgary and benefit the whole province, but luckily for you, Jason Kenney is cancelling the carbon tax, and the feds will implement theres, with all the money going to Ottawa, not Alberta. Totally what you want right?

The rest of us fund C & E enough as it is.

no you don't. We all pay in to the same pool, and all receive the same government services.

Corp tax should be 6% or lower for diversification. If the left was serious about diversification, the small biz and corp tax would be zero.

How does this help with diversification? You are flying way off on tangents that have nothing to do about roads, which is the topic here.