[Saint John] Fundy Quay (South Market Wharf) | 19-6s | 70m-26m | U/C

[darkharbour]

Originally Posted by Joe

Is it so bad? An outdoor venue for performances/market place taking a spot on port land that otherwise would just serve as a parking lot.

I agree, it's much much better than what is there now, and with Loyalist Plaza being ripped up to be redeveloped we needed a new waterfront stage and event venue. The rendering they put out is of pretty poor quality though, I'm sure it will look better once it is built. I don't like it being called "permanent" because I do think there is could be better long-term use in a few years, but this makes sense as a quick, affordable, and easy improvement to our waterfront now.

Oh, and I'm pretty amused by how much the federal building on Water Street looks like a giant 90s computer monitor in that rendered image.

[Helladog]

Originally Posted by darkharbour

Oh, and I'm pretty amused by how much the federal building on Water Street looks like a giant 90s computer monitor in that rendered image.

I thought the same thing.

[Pugsley]

Originally Posted by Joe

Is it so bad? An outdoor venue for performances/market place taking a spot on port land that otherwise would just serve as a parking lot.

Congrats Saint John! You are actually building something super cool and popular in major urban areas globally - Amsterdam, Seattle, Brooklyn...even Singapore!

As a Torontonian (Don't hate me) currently in the area looking to move back east, this is exactly what Toronto allowed to be built on land as an interim development in the West End of downtown. LINK: https://stacktmarket.com/

It is an infill solution until a permanent development occurs. But in the interim, it adds character and value to residents and visitors! I can't express how cool this is for a city Saint John's size!!!

This would further add to Saint John's cool factor. I'm in Halifax right now and can honestly say, it is a bit "ho hum" compared to the things I'm seeing in Saint John. Can't wait to visit next week!

Keep it up!!!

[adamuptownsj]

We already have piles of shipping containers across the harbour at the terminal. The city can't be bothered to replant trees in existing parks after the 2018 ice storm. Loyalist Plaza is going to duplicate this space's function a block away.

[Pugsley]

Originally Posted by adamuptownsj

We already have piles of shipping containers across the harbour at the terminal. The city can't be bothered to replant trees in existing parks after the 2018 ice storm. Loyalist Plaza is going to duplicate this space's function a block away.

Jesus. Ever hear of a glass being half full? Celebrate the small wins man... otherwise people will simply move ideas like these on to a city where it is more appreciated... like Moncton or Fredericton...and skip Saint John.

[adamuptownsj]

Originally Posted by Pugsley

Jesus. Ever hear of a glass being half full? Celebrate the small wins man... otherwise people will simply move ideas like these on to a city where it is more appreciated... like Moncton or Fredericton...and skip Saint John.

This is duplicating the redesign of Loyalist Circle happening one block away. SJ struggles to maintain and upgrade existing public spaces that are well used. Containers look like shit.

[Pugsley]

Originally Posted by adamuptownsj

This is duplicating the redesign of Loyalist Circle happening one block away. SJ struggles to maintain and upgrade existing public spaces that are well used. Containers look like shit.

Well, to each their own. All I am saying is that there are bigger and more global cities building similar venues and getting international praise for it. It has to be better than its current use as a vacant lot. FYI...when all developers or investors hear is complaining with no suggestions or alternative solutions from the public when they propose something, they move on to the next city. There are lots of other places in Canada to invest.

[adamuptownsj]

Originally Posted by Pugsley

Well, to each their own. All I am saying is that there are bigger and more global cities building similar venues and getting international praise for it. It has to be better than its current use as a vacant lot. FYI...when all developers or investors hear is complaining with no suggestions or alternative solutions from the public when they propose something, they move on to the next city. There are lots of other places in Canada to invest.

There's the problem. This is government magic money in election season, not developers. Developers aren't making 0-profit 'event spaces' out of literal garbage on waterfront land.

[MonctonRad]

This little tidbit is on the CCD Canada website:

SAINT JOHN - THE FUNDY QUAY, MIXED-USE RESIDENTIAL BUILDING B

The listing is behind a paywall, therefore there is no additional information available for casual viewers, but, at the very least, this indicates that developers are putting information out for potential contractors regarding a new mixed use building on the Fundy Quay. This is a concrete and tangible development.

[Joe]

From the TJ today, a condensed version.

"The public will have an opportunity to provide feedback on initial design concepts for Market Slip, Harbour Passage extension and the new pedway connection. Construction to begin in 2022.
The concepts are fully visualized within a three dimensional model
Initial designs of the Fundy Quay development will also be available for viewing."

Sept 27/21 Market Square Atrium from 5 to 8pm
Mask, proof of vaccination and photo ID required for attendees.

[cdnguys]

Building one - 16 stories
Building two - 12 stories
Building three - 7 stories
Building four - 7 stories

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[ColSJ]

Originally Posted by cdnguys

I’ll post an update later with renderings for area around actual development site, but from what I could gather from public meeting is this:

Building one - 16 stories
Building two - 12 stories
Building three - 7 stories
Building four - 7 stories

Wow!

Some height to our waterfront is on the way!

[NewIreland]

Originally Posted by cdnguys

Building one - 16 stories
Building two - 12 stories
Building three - 7 stories
Building four - 7 stories

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If this gets built as rendered, I will eat my hat. It's honestly perfect!

[ColSJ]

I'm getting a Halifax library kind of feel from those renderings, a catalyst for new development! I also see some similarities to Halifax's new "Queen's Marque" on their waterfront with the steps going into the water and the prow.

[cdnguys]

The cobblestone from Loyalist Plaza will be recycled to create some of the sidewalks. I agree, has the Queen’s Marque Halifax feel of quality.

[Franco401]

This will be the top urban public space in the province. I don't feel any hesitation in saying this is better than Officer's Square.

[Fischbob]

The Loyalist Plaza/Harbour Passage concept wasn't the only information available at tonight's open house...

The developer gave a short presentation to unveil the site plan and a few preliminary renderings!!!


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A few additional details that were shared verbally during the presentation:

- They are making a conscious effort to orient the active building frontages toward the public space around the perimeter of the site. This means that servicing and vehicular access will be through the centre of the site between the buildings.
- The majority of the ground floors are intended to be commercial uses.
- Parking is to be provided "above ground" in the building podiums along with a small amount of angle parking along Water and a some surface parking again in that less activated centre part of the site.
- The southeast building will be the first phase to get constructed, as such it is the furthest along in terms of the design/rendering detail.
- They are trying to keep the podium height along Water Street similar to the other buildings on Water with the towers stepped back. They also intend to break up the massing of the podium as per the rendering for a better horizontal scale.
- Architect is Lydon Lynch out of Halifax.

I have to say I've been more than a little concerned that we would be disappointed by what they'd eventually come up with for the site but I walked away from this presentation with a great first impression - I think they're on the right track here. Exciting stuff!

[cdnguys]

Looks like I got the heights wrong - check out Fischbob’s posting on FundyQuay thread. Hard to make out but looks like maybe a trio of 16 - 20 story buildings???

[cdnguys]

The architect has some big Halifax projects under their belt, including Bishop’s Landing, Kings Wharf and The Martello. When I visited Halifax I really liked the feel of the pedestrian level of Bishop’s Landing and hoped Fundy Quay would be similar. This project adds to what Saint John already has to offer, especially a sense of space / belonging / inspiration / creation of meaning for occupants that is mostly lacking in other big projects in the province. My fears of seeing modern cookie cutter buildings on podiums like the office parks flying into Pearson or Trudeau are alleviated. This project is creating a community / gathering place rather than building lobbies or plazas.

[Fischbob]

By my count the towers are 19, 16 and 16 storeys. This checks out as they said in the presentation the tallest portion of the site would be comparable in height to "City Hall or Brunswick Square".