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The Scotiabank Centre in Halifax has a larger capacity than this new arena in Moncton and it has been around since 1976.
Indeed, but it has been speculated that this new replacement for the old Coliseum in Moncton may revitalize the touring circuit in Atlantic Canada, as there will now be 3 (or possibly 4 if you include Mile One Arena in St. John's) arenas capable of holding large concerts in the region. This would help in making an east coast loop more financially viable.

- Scotiabank Centre (Halifax) ~ 10,500 seats
- Avenir Centre (Moncton) ~ 8,800 seats
- Harbour Station (Saint John) ~ 7,000 seats
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^^now that Atlantic Canada has a new sports arena capable of hosting medium-class sized concerts & shows it will be interesting to see what concert tours stop there.

The East coast has a history of being duped with concerts or have festival failures with concert promoters going bankrupt & tax payers getting the bill for bringing shows to that part of the country for their outdoor 'grass field' shows, but at least with a new arena there'll still be infrastructure to show for it at the end of the day to host more entertainment in the future.

I'd like to see Moncton host a stop for PBR Canada at the new arena, Skate Canada, a Juno awards, Brier, and maybe even share hosting a World Junior hockey tournament in the future.

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Indeed, but it has been speculated that this new replacement for the old Coliseum in Moncton may revitalize the touring circuit in Atlantic Canada, as there will now be 3 (or possibly 4 if you include Mile One Arena in St. John's) arenas capable of holding large concerts in the region. This would help in making an east coast loop more financially viable.

- Scotiabank Centre (Halifax) ~ 10,500 seats
- Avenir Centre (Moncton) ~ 8,800 seats
- Harbour Station (Saint John) ~ 7,000 seats
I heard friends from Halifax say that ever since press-box style renos where added soon after it was opened, the Scotiabank Centre seating for concerts had been reduced because of views blocked at upper seats.

I do think this new arena should help its game attracting mid-sized concerts to the region and help mitigate concert debacles from the past that had to be absorbed by the communities they were in.

https://www.atlanticbusinessmagazine.../stage-fright/

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfo...over-1.3283368

anyways, great addition of an arena down East.
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Here's a Youtube video by Mike O'Hara (who if I am not mistaken is a Moncton SSPer operating under the ID of Micks5477) of the grand opening of the Avenir Centre in downtown Moncton. It includes a video tour of the facility and is quite well done!

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Old Posted Sep 12, 2018, 9:28 AM
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Calgary Olympic bid features McMahon renovations but no new stadium
Donna Spencer 3Down Staff September 11, 2018

A draft plan for Calgary to host the 2026 Olympic and Paralympic Winter Games includes renovations to McMahon Stadium, home of the Calgary Stampeders, as part of the $5.23 billion bid.

The bid corporation Calgary 2026 says the required public investment from taxpayers – the city, province and country – would be about $3 billion.

The remainder will be paid for privately via ticket sales, corporate sponsorship and a contribution from the International Olympic Committee in cash and services.



The calculations presented were in today’s dollars and did not include the potential rate of inflation over the next eight years, which Calgary 2026 estimates will be 2.25 per cent annually.

A new fieldhouse, which has long been a priority for Calgary, and a mid-size arena seating up to 6,000 were the only new venues proposed in the plan, although a curling venue has yet to be identified.

Existing facilities from the 1988 Winter Games in Calgary and Canmore, Alta., as well as the ski jump in Whistler, B.C., from the 2010 Games would be used again in 2026.

Edmonton is under consideration as a possible site for curling.

The economic impact on Alberta’s gross domestic product was estimated at $2 billion.

“This is the one initiative that will put people back to work right away,” Calgary 2026 chief executive officer Mary Moran said. “It will leave us with legacy infrastructure we can use for generations to come.

“It allows us to showcase the great culture, sport, environmental and social expertise we have here in the community.”

Calgary has not yet committed to submitting a bid for the 2026 Winter Games. City council has reserved the right to pull the plug on the process at any time.

A plebiscite asking Calgarians if they want to host the 2026 Winter Games is scheduled for Nov. 13, although the vote would be cancelled if council bails on a bid.

The IOC’s deadline to submit a bid is January. IOC members will vote on a host city in September 2019.

A Calgary Bid Exploration Committee pegged the price of the 2026 Games at $4.6 billion in June 2017.

By comparison, the 2010 Winter Games in Vancouver and Whistler cost roughly $7.7 billion.

Calgary’s draft plan proposes spending just over $500 million on upgrading and improving McMahon Stadium, Scotiabank Saddledome, the Olympic Oval, Canmore Nordic Centre, the sliding track and ski hill at WinSport and the alpine ski hill at Nakiska.

The plan does not include a new NHL-sized arena.

The city and Calgary Sports and Entertainment _ owners of the NHL’s Calgary Flames _ have been in a stalemate for several months over who should pay how much for a new arena.

“The timing of confirmation of this project may not meet our bid deadlines,” the draft hosting plan concept stated.

“Should this facility move forward, it would result in a significant strengthening of the hosting plan and afford more opportunities for spectator participation.”

The security budget is $610 million, which is less than the $900 million required in Vancouver and Whistler.
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^ That's an Olympic bid I think I could get behind... it seems more about meeting the needs of athletes and the host than glorifying the IOC.

I like the idea of a 6,000 seat mid-sized arena... that's something I think would be useful in Winnipeg.

I'm not entirely convinced that a future attempt won't be made to ram a new subsidized arena for the Flames in there somehow.

The idea of renovations for McMahon sounds a little ominous... is it just a new patio, a fresh coat of paint and a bunch of behind the scenes stuff? Or will the improvements actually be meaningful for the players and fans?
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^^ I'm surprised they don't just use the 6,500 seat Calgary Stampede Corral




...and save that new money for a new NHL sized arena later.
If Calgary gets the games again, I wouldn't be surprised if they actually restart talks for a new NHL arena.
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^ Yeah, good point. The Corral looks like it could fit the bill as the mid sized arena. That said, it is a pretty old building... it would be 76 years old by the time the Olympics roll around. The facility's Wikipedia page says it's slated for demolition, although I don't know if that's still the case.
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Stampede Corral still has a list of events (Jack White, & Disney on Ice etc) as of this Fall 2018

...speaking of new mid-sized secondary arenas for cities...
Saskatoon's new 3,500 seat Huskies multiplex Arena on the University of Saskatchewan campus will open with have Phase 1 construction complete in the next few months.



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Stampede Corral still has a list of events (Jack White, & Disney on Ice etc) as of this Fall 2018

...speaking of new mid-sized secondary arenas for cities...
Saskatoon's new 3,500 seat Huskies multiplex Arena on the University of Saskatchewan campus will open with have Phase 1 construction complete in the next few months.


https://news.usask.ca/articles/huski...lfway-mark.php
Not to be picky, but I am going to be, it would have been nice for them to use glulam beams instead of steel to support the roof.
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2026 Olympic plan: Two new venues and renovations galore
Eva Ferguson Calgary Herald September 12, 2018

Only two new sporting venues are proposed to be built as part of Calgary 2026’s hosting plan released Tuesday — neither of which include a new NHL arena for the Calgary Flames.

Officials instead lauded a greater need for a new multi-sport field house for figure skating and short-track speedskating, as well as a new mid-sized arena for preliminary hockey events, with seating for 6,000.

But marquee hockey, including final games for men’s and women’s events, is proposed for the existing 18,000-seat Saddledome, which would receive some upgrades, including improved accessibility, washroom renovations and mechanical maintenance.

Mary Moran, Calgary 2026 CEO, said the existing Saddledome will suffice after it receives upgrades, even though the Flames have for years argued the aging building no longer meets the needs of the team or the National Hockey League’s standards, and cannot host major entertainment events such as big-name concerts.

“When the IOC (International Olympic Committee) toured the Saddledome, they said it was adequate for the Games.

“But I cannot comment whether it is adequate for a nine-month hockey season.”

At the same time, Moran welcomed ongoing discussions between the Flames and the City of Calgary, adding if they can reach a deal for a new NHL arena, Calgary 2026 would be willing to “reconfigure” its plans for new venues.

According to the draft hosting plan concept, as much as $1.6 billion will be spent on what the document called “urban development.” This would include as much as $400 million combined for the two new venues, $500 million to upgrade and renew eight existing facilities — including the Olympic Oval and WinSport — and about $600 million for new housing in Calgary and Canmore, initially for athletes and then released to the market.

But within the $400-million cost for a new field house and mid-size arena, officials refused to break down the individual costs of the two sites because construction contracts will eventually be put out for tender to the private sector.

Both new venues will be located in the “Foothills cluster” between McMahon Stadium and the University of Calgary, one of three facility clusters that will also include sites at Stampede Park and WinSport.

The new field house and mid-size arena, Moran argued, are the most economically responsible options and will meet a growing community need for accessible recreation, leaving the kind of legacy that Calgary 2026 is anchored on.

“We will create legacy that has social, environmental and economic impact,” Moran said.

“This is our time.”

Calgary Flames CEO Ken King said that while the city has created a specific committee to continue arena talks with the NHL team, he was surprised it was not co-ordinated with Calgary 2026.

“Everyone is aware there has been a committee struck to talk to us about a new arena,” King told Postmedia on Tuesday.

“What is surprising is that it hasn’t been co-ordinated with the Olympic bid.”

But King added he is pleased the committee has at least been struck and there seems to be continued interest to get a new arena built.

“The impetus is there to do some work, and that’s a good thing.”

The Flames and the city have been debating funding models for a new arena for years, with the most recent talks focused around a location in Victoria Park near the Stampede grounds. Both the city and the team’s ownership were accused of playing politics in the run-up to the municipal election last October when talks broke down.

But a charge to reboot negotiations has begun with the new committee, while King has asked for “media silence” around negotiations until a deal is reached.

During the Calgary 2026 presentation to council, Mayor Naheed Nenshi criticized the idea for a mid-size arena, which he argued may be unnecessary, particularly if a new NHL rink gets built.

“If there’s a new big arena built, that obviates a plan for the mid-sized one,” said Nenshi, adding that facilities such as Max Bell and Father David Bauer already seat good-sized capacity crowds.

“I have a lot of trouble seeing a new 5,000-seat arena as part of a legacy. I just don’t see what the future need of that will be.”

Excerpt from the Draft Hosting Plan Concept, showing improvements proposed for venues:



Highlights of the proposal:

• A $5.23-billion plan with events spread across Calgary, Canmore, Whistler and potentially farther afield in Edmonton.
• As much as $1.6 billion to be spent for renewal of existing facilities, two new venues and housing for athletes.
• Venues will be spread across three clusters in Calgary, at Stampede Park, Foothills and Winsport.
• The first new venue will include a mid-sized arena, which will host preliminary hockey events and has the legacy ability to host regional, provincial and national competitions, University of Calgary Dinos and touring concerts.
• The second new venue will include a multi-sport field house to host figure skating and short track speedskating events, with a legacy ability to host high-performance sport including track, soccer, tennis and other court sports.
• Refurbished existing venues will include Olympic Oval for speedskating and WinSport for its sliding track and freestyle ski events, including aerials, big air, half-pipe, moguls and slopestyle.
• Canmore Nordic Centre to receive some course improvement to host biathlon and cross-country.
• Nakiska to receive facility upgrades to host downhill ski and snowboard events.
• Whistler to receive minor renovations to host ski jumping and nordic combined events.
• Calgary’s East Village and Canmore to receive housing for up to 4,600 athletes and team officials.
• McMahon Stadium to be expanded from 29,000 seats to 40,000 to host opening and closing ceremonies.
• Non-competitive venues will include Max Bell and Father David Bauer arenas for hockey and figure skating practice, the Stampede Grandstand for medal ceremonies, BMO Centre and Big Four buildings for international media and broadcasting.
• No venue found yet for curling, although Edmonton is a possibility.
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Eva Ferguson Calgary Herald September 12, 2018

During the Calgary 2026 presentation to council, Mayor Naheed Nenshi criticized the idea for a mid-size arena, which he argued may be unnecessary, particularly if a new NHL rink gets built.

“If there’s a new big arena built, that obviates a plan for the mid-sized one,” said Nenshi, adding that facilities such as Max Bell and Father David Bauer already seat good-sized capacity crowds.

“I have a lot of trouble seeing a new 5,000-seat arena as part of a legacy. I just don’t see what the future need of that will be.”
Have to agree with the mayor on that one.

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• McMahon Stadium to be expanded from 29,000 seats to 40,000 to host opening and closing ceremonies.
Not sure what that means, IIRC capacity is in the mid 30k range. The stadium should be downsized permanently so I'm not sure where the 29k number comes from and hopefully that 40k number is temporary. Hopefully it wouldn't even come to that point and they get a new stadium or stadium fieldhouse.

I thought Vancouver 2010 was a fiscally responsible bid re facilities but this just sounds cheap and/or misguided to me.

This is the golden opportunity to get the new arena and stadium (together or separate) and so far it looks like they're blowing it. Early days though.
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^ Winter Olympics don't require a new stadium. No actual sports are played in one at a winter games. With a few renos, McMahon is up to the job of hosting opening/closing ceremonies.
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Calgary 2026 Draft Hosting Plan Concept

These are some images from an earlier study (this year or last - February 2017?) of McMahon Stadium, I'm trying to find the study and will post it when I do.



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Been looking at other sites and the proposal is going over like a lead zeppelin. But the consensus seems to be that given all the contributors (Feds et al) and the mayor's stance on the arena question, is that the new arena (Saddledome replacement) will be built. And maybe even a stadium.
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Thank God they want to build an NHL sized arena. Still embarassing if we have to send events to Edmonton and Vancouver though. Talk about chintzy.
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2026 Olympic plan: Two new venues and renovations galore
Eva Ferguson Calgary Herald September 12, 2018

During the Calgary 2026 presentation to council, Mayor Naheed Nenshi criticized the idea for a mid-size arena, which he argued may be unnecessary, particularly if a new NHL rink gets built.

“If there’s a new big arena built, that obviates a plan for the mid-sized one,” said Nenshi, adding that facilities such as Max Bell and Father David Bauer already seat good-sized capacity crowds.

“I have a lot of trouble seeing a new 5,000-seat arena as part of a legacy. I just don’t see what the future need of that will be.”
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Have to agree with the mayor on that one.

Not sure what that means, IIRC capacity is in the mid 30k range. The stadium should be downsized permanently so I'm not sure where the 29k number comes from and hopefully that 40k number is temporary. Hopefully it wouldn't even come to that point and they get a new stadium or stadium fieldhouse.

I thought Vancouver 2010 was a fiscally responsible bid re facilities but this just sounds cheap and/or misguided to me.

This is the golden opportunity to get the new arena and stadium (together or separate) and so far it looks like they're blowing it. Early days though.
I agree as well - another 5000 seat arena seems unnecessary with the Corral, Father Bauer, Max Bell, and even the new(ish) facility at Winsport. I wasn't expecting a new stadium but I was hoping for much more extensive renos of McMahon than has been mentioned. I say re-direct the 5000 seat arena $$ toward McMahon.
I'm not 100% certain the 40,000 capacity number is temporary but that would be my guess. I kind of hope the 29,000 capacity number is the new permanent capacity for McMahon once all the bench seats are replaced with seats. I was hoping they would build some new private boxes as well.
Anyway, time will tell. As you say, it's early days.
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Calgary 2026 Draft Hosting Plan Concept

These are some images from an earlier study (this year or last - February 2017?) of McMahon Stadium, I'm trying to find the study and will post it when I do.

Now this image gets me excited!
It's like a Calgary version of THF.
A couple of other things on my wish list for McMahon:
1. Connect the West & East sides around the south end.
2. Create a continuous strip of lighting between the towers to improve the dark patchy lighting at night games (& do a better job of this than TD in Ottawa).
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Wow...Calgary.

Save city...provincial and federal cash.

You have nothing else to prove, cept losing massive amounts of cash on what again?


Haters....3...2....1 lol.

Olympics and Commonwealth games are a con for the taxpayer..
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