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Old Posted Nov 13, 2019, 5:50 PM
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French language Canadian media are a good way to get out of the filter bubble of English language media, which I find are increasingly devolving into American-style culture wars. A lot of issues are framed differently in French language media, and the framing is often crudely misrepresented in English.
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French language Canadian media are a good way to get out of the filter bubble of English language media, which I find are increasingly devolving into American-style culture wars. A lot of issues are framed differently in French language media, and the framing is often crudely misrepresented in English.
Agreed - additionally, when Quebec media cover my province, and presumably other small ones, their angle is different. It has a different tone. Most recent article I saw, for example, was about immigration to rural areas of NL, why newcomers are so happy there, how they're creating their own employment. Another was about the francophone community in St. John's (mainly oriented toward SPM and France) faces a difficult dilemma - many high schoolers leave the under-funded French schools for English ones, and when it's time to go to university the cheap cost of tuition for NL students at Memorial makes it difficult to justify pursuing post-secondary in their own language elsewhere.

Fascinating stuff. You'd never see the same level of depth in national anglophone coverage of here.
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Old Posted Nov 13, 2019, 6:22 PM
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I don't think it's as bad as it used to be but a lot of Atlantic coverage in English language Canadian media used to be a kind of "life in the outer provinces" porn.
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French language Canadian media are a good way to get out of the filter bubble of English language media, which I find are increasingly devolving into American-style culture wars. A lot of issues are framed differently in French language media, and the framing is often crudely misrepresented in English.
I can only imagine those left right culture wars are completely replace with franco anglo culture wars.

But again I have no idea about this topic.

I can tell you think I really enjoy watching radio Canada. I can only pick out a word here and there and most follow the conversation by the imagery and the dropping of Anglophone nouns.


That being said I was reading about the Qmjhl yesterday and it was astounding to realize that unlike the OHL they had a tiny fraction the number of cities to work with. It never occured to me how similar the maritimes and rural quebec are.
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I can only imagine those left right culture wars are completely replace with franco anglo culture wars.

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Federalist-separatist culture wars were even hotter.

Though after being fairly absent for a long time from Quebec public discourse, left vs. right has made a comeback, due to anglo-franco and federalist-separatist simmering down a bit.
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French language Canadian media are a good way to get out of the filter bubble of English language media, which I find are increasingly devolving into American-style culture wars. A lot of issues are framed differently in French language media, and the framing is often crudely misrepresented in English.
You see this in foreign English-language publications regarding politics in Canada (say, for instance, CNN or the Economist). It's so dumbed down or simplified as to almost miss the point. Those are publications we share a language with, so I feel as if the English media within this country probably doesn't convey the Quebec angle very well due to the language gap.

Also, examining subtleties doesn't really get clicks. People want a dumpster fire, not nuanced analysis and understanding.

There's a reason the two solitudes remain that, outside of a handful of people on each side - moreso Quebec's side.
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You see this in foreign English-language publications regarding politics in Canada (say, for instance, CNN or the Economist). It's so dumbed down or simplified as to almost miss the point. Those are publications we share a language with, so I feel as if the English media within this country probably doesn't convey the Quebec angle very well due to the language gap.

Also, examining subtleties doesn't really get clicks. People want a dumpster fire, not nuanced analysis and understanding.

There's a reason the two solitudes remain that, outside of a handful of people on each side - moreso Quebec's side.
One wonders what the perceptions are of the G&M's Konrad Yakabuski or of Chantal Hebert?
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One wonders what the perceptions are of the G&M's Konrad Yakabuski or of Chantal Hebert?
Chantal Hébert is almost the rarest of Canadian creatures - one with almost a perfectly balanced perch between the two solitudes. She's what I'd be if only I had her job!

Konrad Yakabuski is also an interesting study. He's an Anglo-Canadian of Polish descent from the Barry's Bay area in the Upper Ottawa Valley. But he lived in Montreal long enough and most importantly learned French well enough to be a staff writer at Le Devoir at one point.

I don't believe he's worked in the francophone media in a while and may not even be based in Montreal anymore. Regardless I've noticed that his articles are less those of an anglo who went native in Quebec (using that partly for effect - he never went that far but he did "get" Quebec) and more in line with the usual portrayal of Quebec in the anglophone media.

Basically he used to be more like Robert McKenzie (Toronto Star) or Ray Conlogue (Globe and Mail) but now he's more like Don Macpherson and Paul Wells.
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I can tell you think I really enjoy watching radio Canada. I can only pick out a word here and there and most follow the conversation by the imagery and the dropping of Anglophone nouns.
Turning subtitles on may help. I briefly enjoyed watching Patrice Roy.
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Konrad Yakabuski is also an interesting study. He's an Anglo-Canadian of Polish descent from the Barry's Bay area in the Upper Ottawa Valley.
I saw that last name and wondered if he would be related to an Ontarian MPP (John Yakabuski) in some way. I guess the answer is yes.

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But he lived in Montreal long enough and most importantly learned French well enough to be a staff writer at Le Devoir at one point.
I wish my French could get that good. Too bad living in Quebec isn’t an option for me for personal reason at the moment.
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The overuse of Anglo Canadians in this thread infers they are one and the same which couldn't be further from the truth. Immersing oneself in a different culture cannot be simplified down to being able to speak the language.

Being multilingual is a good thing to be at least for the next little while. Does it make you a more understanding Canadian? No.
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Anglo Canadian to me means quite literally you're either English or possibly Scots-Irish/Ulster and/or Metis heritage.

Are the Quebecois who speak English more Canadian?
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Anglo Canadian to me means quite literally you're of English or possibly Scots-Irish/Ulster heritage.

Are the Quebecois who speak English more Canadian?
English speaking Canadians would be more accurate. Or just "most of us".
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The Quebecois in Quebec are those with French, Scots/Irish/French or Metis backgrounds.

Does English (speaking) Canada have a term for allophones?
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The Quebecois in Quebec are those with French, Scots/Irish/French or Metis backgrounds.

Does English (speaking) Canada have a term for allophones?
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French language Canadian media are a good way to get out of the filter bubble of English language media, which I find are increasingly devolving into American-style culture wars. A lot of issues are framed differently in French language media, and the framing is often crudely misrepresented in English.
I agree with that!
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Chantal Hébert is almost the rarest of Canadian creatures - one with almost a perfectly balanced perch between the two solitudes. She's what I'd be if only I had her job!


I don't doubt you at all!
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An Anglo-Canadian becomes more English by learning French: The Upper Class English have always learned French.
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Does English (speaking) Canada have a term for allophones?
Yes, apparently it's "you people".
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Are the Quebecois who speak English more Canadian?
It's not unanimous but a lot of people would argue precisely this. Certainly they're more in tune with the "wider Canada". The identity implications of that are less obvious - plenty of separatists speak English and plenty of federalists speak only French.
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