Hey Regina, what could you possibly need all that office space for?

[thefourthtower]

Originally Posted by CCF

Yep.

Was deferred back to the Admin.

This project should NOT be approved. Office space of this magnitude should not be outside downtown. If we are to allow suburban office, further works needs to be completed to identify areas where it would make sense. A nodes and corridors approach would make the most sense, with suburban office allowed to be located along streets like Broad, Albert, Victoria (the corridors) and concentrated at critical intersections that could handle higher density such as the Golden Mile (the nodes).

A location at Harbour Landing makes no sense. It is not well served by transit and truly there are no logistical reasons to allow it.

It makes no sense not to be approved it is backward thinking like this that kills cities, how many other large cities dont have business parks not to many ,this park is to service the massive gth alot of workers should not have to go downtown to do there business they dont like elevators, finding parking , besides they are planning or building over seven hundred thousand square feet of office space downtown , if they dont build this companies will take there business to other cities who would love to have them, this business park is for the further exspansion of that area , the airport and the ght it is a great idea for that area

[Nathan]

Originally Posted by thefourthtower

It makes no sense not to be approved it is backward thinking like this that kills cities, how many other large cities dont have business parks not to many ,this park is to service the massive gth alot of workers should not have to go downtown to do there business they dont like elevators, finding parking , besides they are planning or building over seven hundred thousand square feet of office space downtown , if they dont build this companies will take there business to other cities who would love to have them, this business park is for the further exspansion of that area , the airport and the ght it is a great idea for that area

It is a great idea IF you limit the types of businesses that can set up offices there (ones that make sense for the area, as in transportation or logistics type companies, in other words, one's that need to be closer to the Airport or Transportation hub). You also need to set-up rules for how much office space a tenant there can have. It wouldn't make sense to let someone have 100,000 square feet of office there at this time... That's pretty much a decent full sized tower, instead spread out over a much greater area.

So I agree we do need to allow some offices out near the airport and transport hub, but we need to be smart about what we are allowing.

[Stormer]

Originally Posted by thefourthtower

It makes no sense not to be approved it is backward thinking like this that kills cities, how many other large cities dont have business parks not to many ,this park is to service the massive gth alot of workers should not have to go downtown to do there business they dont like elevators, finding parking , besides they are planning or building over seven hundred thousand square feet of office space downtown , if they dont build this companies will take there business to other cities who would love to have them, this business park is for the further exspansion of that area , the airport and the ght it is a great idea for that area

Wow that's one long sentence.

I personally believe there has to be some suburban office permitted in the right locations, but City planners need to be extremely cautious. Having a vibrant downtown is essential. Similarly, any new theatres should be downtown. If some people do not like the parking or elevators or whatever, well that is price I am prepared to pay for a first class downtown. It is a lack of real downtown that kills Cities.

[roccerfeller]

Originally Posted by Stormer

Wow that's one long sentence.

I personally believe there has to be some suburban office permitted in the right locations, but City planners need to be extremely cautious. Having a vibrant downtown is essential. Similarly, any new theatres should be downtown. If some people do not like the parking or elevators or whatever, well that is price I am prepared to pay for a first class downtown. It is a lack of real downtown that kills Cities.

Which is why it is important you guys keep Regina going in a positive direction - at this point in time, if the core becomes the foundation, then generations down the road when Regina is much bigger city, it will pay dividends.

im all for stances such as yours

[1ajs]

the city need to find a balance to theres a certan factor that could be outside downtown but... limit surface lots make it dense not spread out

anyhow

[osmo]

Keep offices Downtown! PERIOD! Only exception is industry that needs to be near the Airport or HUB like stated, but anything else I don't care what anybody has to say, decentralizing never turns out good. Look at Edmonton with its dizzying amount of random office parks scattered throughout the City, its a mess. It's core could be twice as dense if it didn't spread out so much of its office space.

There are ways to do it effectively via mobility hubs and high order transit but Regina is still far away from that so lets not start a bad trend here and set bad presidents for greedy developers.

Regina is in a good position to leverage its past short comings into making a ideal dense core. It would be unprecedented for a City which largely has no barriers to limits its growth. Harbor Landing IMO has been a dud, its ass ugly and impossible to get too, last thing we need is to funnel more cars there each morning. Developers want suburban office parks only because there cheap to build!, no other reason. You always loose out doing it cheap and dirty, few exceptions to this rule.

And hey don't frown on Victoria! IMO I would trade your core for ours (with a few tweaks of course) I found Victoria's core tho small, was packed with mid rise towers and more importantly bumping with activity. I had a great time dining and heading out to bars while I was there, I wish Regina's core could be lively like that.

[CCF]

Originally Posted by thefourthtower

It makes no sense not to be approved it is backward thinking like this that kills cities, how many other large cities dont have business parks not to many ,this park is to service the massive gth alot of workers should not have to go downtown to do there business they dont like elevators, finding parking , besides they are planning or building over seven hundred thousand square feet of office space downtown , if they dont build this companies will take there business to other cities who would love to have them, this business park is for the further exspansion of that area , the airport and the ght it is a great idea for that area

Actually there are about 100 reasons why this development doesn't make sense. Others have commented on some of the legitimate reasons. This proposal is the epitome of poor planning and it would be "backwards thinking" to approve such a development.

"People don't like elevators"

What?? What. Have you ever worked in an office? People don't even like walking up one flight of stairs. What a strange argument.

[thefourthtower]

Originally Posted by Nathan

It is a great idea IF you limit the types of businesses that can set up offices there (ones that make sense for the area, as in transportation or logistics type companies, in other words, one's that need to be closer to the Airport or Transportation hub). You also need to set-up rules for how much office space a tenant there can have. It wouldn't make sense to let someone have 100,000 square feet of office there at this time... That's pretty much a decent full sized tower, instead spread out over a much greater area.

So I agree we do need to allow some offices out near the airport and transport hub, but we need to be smart about what we are allowing.

How very true

[babo]

Originally Posted by CCF

"People don't like elevators"

I don't like elevators.

[osmo]

The elevator argument is weak. Any new building now even if its just a couple of stories will have one for accessibility reasons alone. People want

Regina to grow but be weary of the type of developments you champion, not all are made equal! There's such few examples of GOOD development in the City I think people just assume that anything new will be better. Aside from the Downtown developments I really can't think of any, maybe the infill projects going on in old school yards but even those are vary shortsighted.

[jigglysquishy]

Obviously stuff that needs to be on the outskirts should be allowed. If a company is shipping semis day in and day out it makes sense to not force them downtown.

Any company that CAN be reasonably put downtown should be.

[thefourthtower]

I would say if there was no GTH the this business park would have to be looked at again , since that is not the case it makes perfect sense to have it there to service the GTH why call it a global tranportation hub if all services are not out there , there are 300 reasons for having this park and it is jobs jobs jobs just my humble opinion, what is a definition of a business anyway.

[someguy]

I think the issue is more that the developer is building on spec. According to the report to planning commission that was on the cities website, they were listing a number of different potential uses.

If this building was specifically to service the GTH, then the development would occur within the GTH boundries. The developer wants to build in this location because its cheap and easy...he has no concerns for what is best for the city.

[thefourthtower]

Originally Posted by someguy

I think the issue is more that the developer is building on spec. According to the report to planning commission that was on the cities website, they were listing a number of different potential uses.

If this building was specifically to service the GTH, then the development would occur within the GTH boundries. The developer wants to build in this location because its cheap and easy...he has no concerns for what is best for the city.

If the developer was not concerned for the city he would not be building this , is not the hill family involved in this project , its a game of give and take

[sask1982]

[QUOTE=1ajs;5284394]the city need to find a balance to theres a certan factor that could be outside downtown but... limit surface lots make it dense not spread out

anyhow


BRRRRR!!!!!!!!!! Who doesn't shiver in their desk chair when they see that...

[Stormer]

Originally Posted by thefourthtower

I would say if there was no GTH the this business park would have to be looked at again , since that is not the case it makes perfect sense to have it there to service the GTH why call it a global tranportation hub if all services are not out there , there are 300 reasons for having this park and it is jobs jobs jobs just my humble opinion, what is a definition of a business anyway.

It is about 8km away from the GTH.

[socialisthorde]

Originally Posted by rrskylar

This warrants a thread?

I guess you are right, we should limit non-city threads to important development/skyscraper issues like rumours about a hockey team or an Ikea in Winnipeg.

[sask1982]

Originally Posted by socialisthorde

I guess you are right, we should limit non-city threads to important development/skyscraper issues like rumours about a hockey team or an Ikea in Winnipeg.

Well put.

With the large amount of office space coming on board at 12th & Rose, i hope this will spur the redevelopment on the other side of the block, at 12th & Broad, not to mention the east side of Broad St, and ultimately the residential neighborhood east of Broad.

[Nathan]

Originally Posted by sask1982

Well put.

With the large amount of office space coming on board at 12th & Rose, i hope this will spur the redevelopment on the other side of the block, at 12th & Broad, not to mention the east side of Broad St, and ultimately the residential neighborhood east of Broad.

That side of Broad is desperate for a gentrification... Maybe it can turn into a Cathedral Neighbourhood Part II.

Granted I don't really know how bad the Cathedral was getting before gentrification kicked in. And there are probably some major safety concerns that would need to be addressed before any type of transformation begins.

[Phil McAvity]

There's actually a proposal called "Harbour Landing"?

Did Regina recently get a harbour?