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Old Posted Jun 24, 2020, 5:55 PM
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This one appears to have VIA as it was before the covid-related service changes...

https://www.viarail.ca/sites/all/fil..._Timetable.pdf
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This one appears to have VIA as it was before the covid-related service changes...

https://www.viarail.ca/sites/all/fil..._Timetable.pdf
Also, as shared by Urban_Sky, here is a collection of VIA Timetables dating back to 1976. Great for comparing service over the years.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/6pzlmwfqm...IQyJtQjZLO7Uka

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Old Posted Jul 24, 2020, 6:31 AM
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Also, as shared by Urban_Sky, here is a collection of VIA Timetables dating back to 1976. Great for comparing service over the years.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/6pzlmwfqm...IQyJtQjZLO7Uka
Thank you. I will take some time to go over them.
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Using the 2019 time table, is there really over 50 Via trains to/from Toronto a day?
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Using the 2019 time table, is there really over 50 Via trains to/from Toronto a day?
Typically you look at either arrivals or departures, not the two combined since you don't want to count through trains twice*. As a result would be better to cut it in half and ask, "Were there 25 VIA departures from Toronto a day?"

If you count train numbers, you get 26 (27 on Wednesdays because of the Canadian), but one thing to consider is that trains 50&60 as well as 52&62 depart Toronto as 1 train and then later split. The reverse doesn't happen westbound, but train 51 travels from Montreal to Toronto via Ottawa, so is shown on both schedules. Both of these are done to reduce the number of trains running along the lakeshore corridor, while still serving both Ottawa and Montreal to/from Toronto.

* Admittedly there no longer seem to be any through VIA trains in Toronto. I think Toronto is the only station that has VIA trains arriving from more than one direction but VIA doesn't offer any through trains (though they used to though).
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I think Toronto is the only station that has VIA trains arriving from more than one direction but VIA doesn't offer any through trains (though they used to though).
Montreal too. It has more through service though.
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Typically you look at either arrivals or departures, not the two combined since you don't want to count through trains twice*. As a result would be better to cut it in half and ask, "Were there 25 VIA departures from Toronto a day?"

If you count train numbers, you get 26 (27 on Wednesdays because of the Canadian), but one thing to consider is that trains 50&60 as well as 52&62 depart Toronto as 1 train and then later split. The reverse doesn't happen westbound, but train 51 travels from Montreal to Toronto via Ottawa, so is shown on both schedules. Both of these are done to reduce the number of trains running along the lakeshore corridor, while still serving both Ottawa and Montreal to/from Toronto.

* Admittedly there no longer seem to be any through VIA trains in Toronto. I think Toronto is the only station that has VIA trains arriving from more than one direction but VIA doesn't offer any through trains (though they used to though).
So, the number of physical trains is lower than the schedule makes out to be?

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Montreal too. It has more through service though.
I learned that by looking to see what would happen if someone wanted to travel from Windsor to Quebec. You must transfer twice.
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So, the number of physical trains is lower than the schedule makes out to be?



I learned that by looking to see what would happen if someone wanted to travel from Windsor to Quebec. You must transfer twice.
Pre covid or currently? Pre covid train 70 left Windsor early in the morning and arrived in Toronto around 1015 i think where it turned into Train 64 for Montreal. Passengers and baggage from 70 could just stay right on the train while it was restocked at Union. Train 65 and 75 do the same thing in reverse. So u only need to change trains once in Montreal.
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Montreal too. It has more through service though.
Some trains from Quebec would continue through to Ottawa as the same train number.
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Pre covid or currently? Pre covid train 70 left Windsor early in the morning and arrived in Toronto around 1015 i think where it turned into Train 64 for Montreal. Passengers and baggage from 70 could just stay right on the train while it was restocked at Union. Train 65 and 75 do the same thing in reverse. So u only need to change trains once in Montreal.
The difference is while they it may be internally scheduled to use the same train, it changes train numbers.

Pre-covid trains 33, 35 37, 637 and 39 would all run from Quebec to Ottawa. Same with trains 22, 24, 26 and 28 in the reverse direction.
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The difference is while they it may be internally scheduled to use the same train, it changes train numbers.

Pre-covid trains 33, 35 37, 637 and 39 would all run from Quebec to Ottawa. Same with trains 22, 24, 26 and 28 in the reverse direction.
Thru trains should have the same number. The schedules should also reflect thru trains.
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The difference is while they it may be internally scheduled to use the same train, it changes train numbers.

Pre-covid trains 33, 35 37, 637 and 39 would all run from Quebec to Ottawa. Same with trains 22, 24, 26 and 28 in the reverse direction.
What bloody difference does it make what number the train is?

The point i made was u dont have to transfer twice. If you are taking 70 to 64 you can stay right on the train. All that changes is the train number. You only have to transfer to a different train in Montreal if you are going all the way to QC.
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Thru trains should have the same number. The schedules should also reflect thru trains.
They do!
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What bloody difference does it make what number the train is?

The point i made was u dont have to transfer twice. If you are taking 70 to 64 you can stay right on the train. All that changes is the train number. You only have to transfer to a different train in Montreal if you are going all the way to QC.
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They do!
You just contradicted yourself.
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You just contradicted yourself.
No i didnt. You just arent paying attention and dont have any idea what a “through train” means.
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What bloody difference does it make what number the train is?
Wow! Someone is in a bad mood.

The biggest difference is it isn't clear on the schedule that the train continues on beyond Toronto.

I suspect VIA did it this way to give them operational flexibility to substitute a different train set if the incoming train is late. If that were to happen to you, not only would you end up with a transfer, but you would have a missed connection.

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They do!
Looking at the June 2019 schedule, I don't see any indication that Train 70 turns into Train 64. In fact it has over an hour layover in Toronto. Same thing with Trains 65 and 75.
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No i didnt. You just arent paying attention and dont have any idea what a “through train” means.
A train that keeps going. So, you get on and don't get off till your final destination.
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I'm not sure if it's been mentioned yet, but the Gaspé railway is being rebuilt by Quebec and it seems like VIA service will return once it's complete. Here's a facebook page documenting the progress https://www.facebook.com/groups/214271542097478
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