Calgary Area Regional Transit - Page 56

milomilo · #**1101** Posted **Sep 20, 2019, 2:34 PM**

As long as Chestermere is charged fairly, this can only be good. The more buses using that infrastructure, the more it makes sense to upgrade it further.

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"That's weird," said Nenshi. "We haven't had a chance at the City of Calgary administration to vet those numbers. They don't pass the smell test for me at this point."

Nenshi is right, the costs don't make sense. How could extending the Max Purple cost 10x the other options?

Cage · #**1102** Posted **Sep 20, 2019, 5:13 PM**

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Originally Posted by milomilo

As long as Chestermere is charged fairly, this can only be good. The more buses using that infrastructure, the more it makes sense to upgrade it further.

Nenshi is right, the costs don't make sense. How could extending the Max Purple cost 10x the other options?

The extra cost for Max Purple service to Chestermere is to bring the service level up to Max standards, including:
1. MAX Comfort: Heated shelters, larger platforms, real-time displays, improved lighting and CCTV security cameras provide commuters with a new level of comfort, accessibility and safety.
2. MAX Convenience:With signal-light priority and queue jumps to bypass traffic, plus fewer stops, MAX gets you to your destination before you know it.
3. MAX Connections: With fewer transfers and better connections to major destinations, the CTrain and other bus routes, MAX makes it easier to get where you need to go.

Comfort and Convenience Max service levels will cost a lot in Chestermere because the town does not have any existing infrastructure and no further requirement for new infrastructure. Example; the signal light priority on 17th Ave is cost shared between Roads and Transit. But in Chestermere, their Roads don't require anything approaching that level of sophistication.

milomilo · #**1103** Posted **Sep 20, 2019, 7:41 PM**

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Originally Posted by Cage

The extra cost for Max Purple service to Chestermere is to bring the service level up to Max standards, including:
1. MAX Comfort: Heated shelters, larger platforms, real-time displays, improved lighting and CCTV security cameras provide commuters with a new level of comfort, accessibility and safety.
2. MAX Convenience:With signal-light priority and queue jumps to bypass traffic, plus fewer stops, MAX gets you to your destination before you know it.
3. MAX Connections: With fewer transfers and better connections to major destinations, the CTrain and other bus routes, MAX makes it easier to get where you need to go.

Comfort and Convenience Max service levels will cost a lot in Chestermere because the town does not have any existing infrastructure and no further requirement for new infrastructure. Example; the signal light priority on 17th Ave is cost shared between Roads and Transit. But in Chestermere, their Roads don't require anything approaching that level of sophistication.

I assume that's from a city website given the language?

Makes the CBC article a but misleading, as they quoted 'annual costs' but presumably it's only the up front cost that will cost significantly more while the running costs are not so largely different.

MalcolmTucker · #**1104** Posted **Sep 20, 2019, 9:01 PM**

The cost quoted is probably the estimated cost of running every MAX Purple bus to Chestermere. Even having half of the buses short turn would reduce the cost by a lot, and Chestermere can decide later to increase the frequency.

para transit fellow · #**1105** Posted **Sep 20, 2019, 10:51 PM**

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Originally Posted by milomilo

As long as Chestermere is charged fairly, this can only be good. The more buses using that infrastructure, the more it makes sense to upgrade it further.

Nenshi is right, the costs don't make sense. How could extending the Max Purple cost 10x the other options?

Nenshi is wrong on this.

cost to run purple max peak hours $165,000 (to run m-r 7-9 am an 3 - 6 pm)
only a few buses are required to make the extended runs

similarly the cost to run between Chestermere and east hills all day -- only a few buses are needed.

But Max runs something like 6 am to midnight seven days a week and every 12 minutes ( or more) that kind of headway means you need more buses

if you are bringing the entire MAX to out to Chestermere, you are practically doubling the route length of EVERY bus on the route-- you will need even MORE buses to maintain the headway. I'm guessing maybe 8,000 to 12,000 additional service hours annually to maintain the high frequency schedule of the MAX BRT

milomilo · #**1106** Posted **Sep 21, 2019, 2:09 PM**

It seems highly sensible to me that an year 0 you don't build much, if any, dedicated infrastructure and just run a minimal service. If few use it, now you know the demand. If it turns out it's packed, then we have justification to upgrade and it should be easy to do. Is the road from Calgary to Chestermere slated for twinning in the foreseeable future?

DoubleK · #**1107** Posted **Sep 21, 2019, 6:23 PM**

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Originally Posted by para transit fellow

Nenshi is wrong on this.

cost to run purple max peak hours $165,000 (to run m-r 7-9 am an 3 - 6 pm)
only a few buses are required to make the extended runs

similarly the cost to run between Chestermere and east hills all day -- only a few buses are needed.

But Max runs something like 6 am to midnight seven days a week and every 12 minutes ( or more) that kind of headway means you need more buses

if you are bringing the entire MAX to out to Chestermere, you are practically doubling the route length of EVERY bus on the route-- you will need even MORE buses to maintain the headway. I'm guessing maybe 8,000 to 12,000 additional service hours annually to maintain the high frequency schedule of the MAX BRT

Why wouldn't they run dedicated busses from a terminal or a few stops in Chestermere into East Hills and turn back from there?

milomilo · #**1108** Posted **Sep 21, 2019, 8:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by DoubleK

Why wouldn't they run dedicated busses from a terminal or a few stops in Chestermere into East Hills and turn back from there?

Well that's what they're trying to decide.

MalcolmTucker · #**1109** Posted **Sep 21, 2019, 9:03 PM**

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Originally Posted by DoubleK

Why wouldn't they run dedicated busses from a terminal or a few stops in Chestermere into East Hills and turn back from there?

The main problem would be trying to maintain precise timing and forcing a transfer when you could just extend a similar number of trips for the same cost.

DizzyEdge · #**1110** Posted **Sep 27, 2019, 7:58 PM**

Somewhat on topic maybe, but Car2Go is pulling out of Calgary at the end of October

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...gary-1.5300253

Corndogger · #**1111** Posted **Sep 27, 2019, 10:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by DizzyEdge

Somewhat on topic maybe, but Car2Go is pulling out of Calgary at the end of October

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...gary-1.5300253

Looks like they're only going to stay in the most congested markets. Within a few years they'll be gone completely. If Chicago isn't a viable market for them there must be something very wrong with their business model.

milomilo · #**1112** Posted **Sep 28, 2019, 12:23 AM**

Yeah it's confusing and disappointing why Calgary wouldn't be a viable market. There's plenty of demand, the streets are relatively uncongested, gas is cheap, regulation isn't too onerous.

para transit fellow · #**1113** Posted **Sep 29, 2019, 2:02 AM**

Prior to Uber, car 2 go was the ticket for short inner city trips

The landscape has changed for car-sharing.

YYCguys · #**1114** Posted **Sep 29, 2019, 10:53 AM**

Cochrane is launching their local transit system in one week’s time. It will be purely on demand. Future plans include trips to Crowfoot LRT station and/or post secondary campuses. A future transit hub will also be adjacent to the railway for future access to regional rail services!

milomilo · #**1115** Posted **Sep 29, 2019, 2:11 PM**

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Originally Posted by YYCguys

Cochrane is launching their local transit system in one week’s time. It will be purely on demand. Future plans include trips to Crowfoot LRT station and/or post secondary campuses. A future transit hub will also be adjacent to the railway for future access to regional rail services!

Will there be an app?

YYCguys · #**1116** Posted **Sep 29, 2019, 7:47 PM**

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Will there be an app?

Yes. Ride Colt (Colt stands for Cochrane On demand local transit).

Info @ http://ridecolt.ca/

DizzyEdge · #**1117** Posted **Sep 30, 2019, 3:48 PM**

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Originally Posted by milomilo

Yeah it's confusing and disappointing why Calgary wouldn't be a viable market. There's plenty of demand, the streets are relatively uncongested, gas is cheap, regulation isn't too onerous.

An imperfect metric, but I checked out the responses to each city's twitter announcement on the weekend. 160 responses in Calgary, 50 in Portland, and then Denver/Chicago/Austin had only 5-10, so I guess there wasn't much caring there vs a lot of upset users in Calgary.

Also people in Portland were pissed because a few months ago Car2go bought their only car sharing competitor there, shutting it down, and now this.

DoubleK · #**1118** Posted **Sep 30, 2019, 6:31 PM**

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Originally Posted by YYCguys

Cochrane is launching their local transit system in one week’s time. It will be purely on demand. Future plans include trips to Crowfoot LRT station and/or post secondary campuses. A future transit hub will also be adjacent to the railway for future access to regional rail services!

I'm very interested in seeing how this works out.

Corndogger · #**1119** Posted **Sep 30, 2019, 8:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by DoubleK

I'm very interested in seeing how this works out.

The on demand part sounds very interesting and possibly the way to go. How far in advance do people need to order a ride?

YYCguys · #**1120** Posted **Oct 1, 2019, 1:11 AM**

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Originally Posted by Corndogger

The on demand part sounds very interesting and possibly the way to go. How far in advance do people need to order a ride?

According to the website, from as far out as a week, to as soon as a few minutes prior.