The Manitoba Provincial Politics Discussion - Page 36

bomberjet · #**701** Posted **Dec 9, 2015, 9:38 PM**

I was just pointing out that all provinces who are not contributing to transfer payments, rely on them to pay for things. Who ever is in power will rely on them, just like NDP do.

PC's will cut back infrastructure spending. They will eliminate the PST increase. That's the only place. It will put Manitoba infrastructure back into the downward spiral the NDP is trying to bring us out of.

Everyone needs to remember that before the current NDP reign, there was a PC reign. Prior to that, same thing. All these issues don't arise because the NDP did it. Filmon and his cronies did no better.

I really don't care who gets elected, be it NDP, PC, or Liberal. I want someone to take this bull by the horns and move Manitoba forward. Stop playing all this BS politics stuff, and do something real.

windypeg · #**702** Posted **Dec 9, 2015, 9:40 PM**

I get wary when I hear too much talk about cuts because as much as we need competitive taxation we also need major investment in infrastructure, health, education, etc as we're way behind in all those areas. What we need is not across the board cuts but a redistribution - stop channeling money to bloated administrations, high ranking public sector administrators, unions and other NDP buddies and get it into services on the ground. Also totally rethink failed systems like CFS, MB Housing, etc. Frankly I think we'll be better off with anybody other than NDP because it's all NDP buddies that are lining up at the govt trough right now.

jmt18325 · #**703** Posted **Dec 9, 2015, 9:42 PM**

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Originally Posted by bomberjet

PC's will cut back infrastructure spending. They will eliminate the PST increase. That's the only place. It will put Manitoba infrastructure back into the downward spiral the NDP is trying to bring us out of.

So I can't vote for them.

I don't want to vote for the NDP because of Manitoba Hydro.

Unless the Liberals have some kind of resurgence, I'm lost as to what to do.

bomberjet · #**704** Posted **Dec 9, 2015, 9:42 PM**

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So I can't vote for them.

I don't want to vote for the NDP because of Manitoba Hydro.

Unless the Liberals have some kind of resurgence, I'm lost as to what to do.

I think this is where a lot of people are at. Including myself.

jmt18325 · #**705** Posted **Dec 9, 2015, 9:43 PM**

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Originally Posted by windypeg

What we need is not across the board cuts but a redistribution - stop channeling money to bloated administrations, high ranking public sector administrators,

Manitoba is about middle of the pack for that, provincially. There may be some savings, but again, it will be very modest.

The reality is, good government is expensive, and there's no way around that.

steveosnyder · #**706** Posted **Dec 9, 2015, 9:44 PM**

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Seriously though, I wish the Liberals were stronger to at least give some kind of options.

+1... Last I saw they don't have anyone running in my riding, which saddens me. I'm hoping they put someone in, I would feel bad supporting either of my candidates.

Urban recluse · #**707** Posted **Dec 9, 2015, 9:56 PM**

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How would one even go about doing this?

By building the economy.

Urban recluse · #**708** Posted **Dec 9, 2015, 10:01 PM**

Every nickel in government spending needs to be analyzed, and the government needs to be smaller.

bomberjet · #**709** Posted **Dec 9, 2015, 10:05 PM**

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Every nickel in government spending needs to be analyzed, and the government needs to be smaller.

I'll agree with this.

jmt18325 · #**710** Posted **Dec 9, 2015, 10:21 PM**

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By building the economy.

The only provinces that are have at the moment are ones that happened to be sitting in the right place at the right time. Alberta, for example, has a per capita GDP twice that of Manitoba, Ontario, or BC (the poorest have province). Manitoba will get far less equalization very soon, but not because of anything that we have done or could have done.

jmt18325 · #**711** Posted **Dec 9, 2015, 10:22 PM**

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I'll agree with this.

I do in principle, but that also costs a lot of money. The Senate audit cost something like 20 times the amount of money that was misspent.

Danny D Oh · #**712** Posted **Dec 9, 2015, 11:26 PM**

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So Pallister will not rely on transfer payments? Whoo boy, see you guys. I'm out of here if transfer payments go away!

Seriously though, I wish the Liberals were stronger to at least give some kind of options.

Pallister knows where the oil is.

I'd like to see some actual policy ideas from anyone really. In the last campaign the PC's made more spending/government cost promises than the NDP.

As always, the party closest to dead centre will win.

Danny D Oh · #**713** Posted **Dec 9, 2015, 11:30 PM**

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Every nickel in government spending needs to be analyzed, and the government needs to be smaller.

Say goodbye to tens of thousands of people if not more, aka growth.

Last time major cuts were made there was a mass exodus to Alberta, BC and Ontario, which to be honest we've never really recovered from in terms of skilled industries and specialists (healthcare).

Unless you find some kind of natural resource which can be exploited further, Manitoba pretty much is what it's going to be.

Policy-wise the government have been more than generous to anyone bringing jobs into the province. They've also been dicking around all the provincial public service unions other than the nurses and freezing positions like crazy in their last two terms.

Urban recluse · #**714** Posted **Dec 10, 2015, 1:00 AM**

With the payroll tax, incredibly high personal income taxes, manufacturing/corporate tax, the province seems to purposely not want to attract people and investments. I also find it entertaining reading reports by the Conference Board or banks, which paint lovely pictures, only to end up with egg on its face months later when the outlook is downgraded; this happens all the time. The province needs a new governing party.

jmt18325 · #**715** Posted **Dec 10, 2015, 1:02 AM**

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With the payroll tax, incredibly high personal income taxes, corporate tax, the province seems to purposely not want to attract people and investments.

So you cut all those, and cripple government revenue. Now what?

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I also find it entertaining reading reports by the Conference Board or banks, which paint lovely pictures, only to end up with egg on its face months later when the outlook is downgraded; this happens all the time. The province needs a new governing party.

In which part of Canada has that not happened post 2009?

Urban recluse · #**716** Posted **Dec 10, 2015, 1:04 AM**

You cut careless spending for one.

Not to the extent it happens with Manitoba.

jmt18325 · #**717** Posted **Dec 10, 2015, 1:15 AM**

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Not to the extent it happens with Manitoba.

GDP growth from 2012, 2013, and 2014

BC

Real GDP 2.5 2.1 3.2
Nominal GDP 2.1 2.3 4.7

http://www.rbc.com/newsroom/_assets-...0151208-bc.pdf

Alberta:

Real GDP 3.9 5.1 4.8
Nominal GDP 4.3 10.2 9.1

http://www.rbc.com/newsroom/_assets-...0151208-ab.pdf

Saskatchewan:

Real GDP 1.7 5.8 1.9
Nominal GDP 4.2 7.1 -0.9

http://www.rbc.com/newsroom/_assets-...0151208-sk.pdf

Manitoba's growth over 2012, 13, and 14:

Real GDP 3.0 2.4 2.3
Nominal GDP 6.4 3.5 3.5

http://www.rbc.com/economics/economi...ecasts/man.pdf

Ontario:

Real GDP 1.3 1.3 2.7
Nominal GDP 3.1 1.9 4.1

http://www.rbc.com/newsroom/_assets-...0151208-on.pdf

Quebec:

Real GDP 1.0 1.2 1.5
Nominal GDP 2.7 2.0 2.5

http://www.rbc.com/newsroom/_assets-...0151208-qc.pdf

New Brunswick:

Real GDP -1.0 0.4 -0.3
Nominal GDP 0.7 0.4 0.6

http://www.rbc.com/newsroom/_assets-...0151208-nb.pdf

PEI:

Real GDP 1.2 2.0 1.5
Nominal GDP 2.7 3.8 3.8

http://www.rbc.com/newsroom/_assets-...0151208-pe.pdf

Nova Scotia:

Real GDP -0.9 0.0 0.6
Nominal GDP 0.5 2.0 1.3

http://www.rbc.com/newsroom/_assets-...0151208-ns.pdf

Newfoundland and Labrador:

Real GDP -4.4 5.8 -2.0
Nominal GDP -4.5 9.2 -4.2

http://www.rbc.com/newsroom/_assets-...0151208-nl.pdf

I think you need to revise your statement for truth. We did better than everyone east of us, and we were on par with BC and Saskatchewan.

jmt18325 · #**718** Posted **Dec 10, 2015, 1:16 AM**

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You cut careless spending for one.

Health, family services, education, or infrastructure?

Urban recluse · #**719** Posted **Dec 10, 2015, 1:31 AM**

The Manitoba entry even acknowledges they need to lower their forecast, LOL. Moreover, you do realize the province's unemployment rate was over 6% in November? All the indicators show the province moving in the wrong direction.

Urban recluse · #**720** Posted **Dec 10, 2015, 1:36 AM**

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Health, family services, education, or infrastructure?

One would have to go through every line in the government's spending.