The Manitoba Provincial Politics Discussion - Page 25

Riverman · #**481** Posted **Oct 6, 2011, 9:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by Authentic_City

turn down your tantrum a notch or two. you're making some pretty offensive comments

Sorry. I do have a reason to get upset - who elects NDP governments anymore? Us and Nova Scotia. The rest of the country has moved on, moved forward. Not us.

jmt18325 · #**482** Posted **Oct 6, 2011, 9:10 PM**

Both the Nova Scotia NDP and the Manitoba NDP are very pragmatic. They aren't socialists, and most of the time, they aren't even left wing. They do what they have to do to govern effectively. It's the same as the federal Conservatives.

rypinion · #**483** Posted **Oct 7, 2011, 1:56 AM**

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Originally Posted by Riverman

Sorry. I do have a reason to get upset - who elects NDP governments anymore? Us and Nova Scotia. The rest of the country has moved on, moved forward. Not us.

The Ontario NDP looks to have added around 10 or so seats to their totals tonight.

dennis · #**484** Posted **Oct 7, 2011, 6:31 AM**

The NDP is the new Liberal. To me it seems the NDP have moved right in the political spectrum. It almost seems as if they have displaced the liberals of Manitoba.

jmt18325 · #**485** Posted **Oct 7, 2011, 12:50 PM**

That sounds about right.

Winnipegger@Heart · #**486** Posted **Oct 7, 2011, 1:15 PM**

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Originally Posted by jmt18325

If that's how you feel, then that's fine. We'll just keep enjoying the most prosperous times in Manitoba history.

That would be since 1870? You are stupid.

We can look forward to 4 more years of the highest taxes, mismanagement of Hydro, no getting on board with our 3 western neighbors in terms of a regional economic partnerhip, living off the purse that is transfer payments, increased debt load...

rypinion · #**487** Posted **Oct 7, 2011, 1:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by Winnipegger@Heart

That would be since 1870? You are stupid.

We can look forward to 4 more years of the highest taxes, mismanagement of Hydro, no getting on board with our 3 western neighbors in terms of a regional economic partnerhip, living off the purse that is transfer payments, increased debt load...

In four years the PC's were going to take us off transfer payments and reduce our debt load? Funny since I thought they were planning to take 7 years to eliminate the deficit.

roccerfeller · #**488** Posted **Oct 7, 2011, 5:48 PM**

I couldn't tell the difference between the conservatives and the NDP at times. as others have mentioned, the PC's didn't really do much to stand out, and I wish they did. It would have been awesome if the PC's just had this bold platform rather than one that seemed like it could have been ripped from an NDP notebook...and in that case, why vote for them when the NDP's are better at being NDP?

Though, to say the NDP's haven't done anything for MB is bogus. They really turned this province around economically since 1999. Good for them, if they can keep Manitoba on this upper trajectory, then good for them.

thurmas · #**489** Posted **Oct 8, 2011, 2:28 AM**

Very bizzare election. PC's up almost 7 points almost tied in voter support with ndp yet do not pickup 1 seat. The pc's ran one of the dumbest campaigns I have ever seen. They propose to outspend the ndp 2-1 and they are a "conservative" party. They propose to eleminate the deficit in 7 years compared to 3 for the ndp yet they are a "conservative party". They have the most awkward and stupid slogan of: I am voting for vision,change and progress. That's just as bad as "spirited energy"! The PC's gotta get rid of these lame red tory leaders. Put out a pragmatic and bold conservative platform and maybe ask Gary Filmon for adivce since atleast he knew how to win. They shouldn't run from their 90's record because it makes them look weak they need a leader with some real balls who will fight back against the ndp instead of trying to impersonate it!

jmt18325 · #**490** Posted **Oct 8, 2011, 3:06 AM**

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Originally Posted by thurmas

Very bizzare election. PC's up almost 7 points almost tied in voter support with ndp yet do not pickup 1 seat.

Not really bizarre. Gary Doer got a few people in the south to vote for him....Selinger didn't. McFadyen picked up votes where he didn't need them.

vid · #**491** Posted **Oct 9, 2011, 10:48 PM**

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Originally Posted by Riverman

How does Ontario/Sask do it? How do they live with fewer provincial employees?

I know 5 interior decorators employed by the province. That's a good example. There are thousands of others I'm sure?

Yes, because it would just be absurd if you happened to know every interior decorator employed by the province! I bet they're not even gay interior designers. Another tragic mistake by the NDP!

BTW, Ontario is a very bad example of good governance. You have the WRHA, Thunder Bay has LHIN-14, TBDHU, NWCHC, and TBRHSC and SJCG. Each one has a president earning over $200,000 a year!

Only The Lonely.. · #**492** Posted **Oct 13, 2011, 12:53 AM**

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Originally Posted by jmt18325

If that's how you feel, then that's fine. We'll just keep enjoying the most prosperous times in Manitoba history.

That were paid for by the charity of other provinces.

Bdog · #**493** Posted **Oct 13, 2011, 12:58 AM**

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Originally Posted by Only The Lonely..

That were paid for by the charity of other provinces.

By charity you mean oil revenues, right?

jmt18325 · #**494** Posted **Oct 13, 2011, 2:44 AM**

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Originally Posted by Only The Lonely..

That were paid for by the charity of other provinces.

No, our growing economy and population wasn't because of equalization.

Boreal · #**495** Posted **Oct 13, 2011, 5:23 AM**

I can sympathize with the crowd that contends that equalization payments are a fluid entity, and oil revenues help pull up what is then a fluid Canadian average, because it is true. However, Manitoba is still a sad place to do business, compared to our brethren out west. Additionally, with our provincial administration constantly flirting with driving minimum wage higher, and above the Canadian median, then there is business lost that cannot even be tabulated. While Manitoba may be reasonably healthy, lets not pretend that it is the result of economic magic coming out of the wand on Broadway.

jmt18325 · #**496** Posted **Oct 13, 2011, 1:03 PM**

Fine, as long as you stop pretending that the provinces to the west were able to lower taxes before they found large quantities of natural resources.

Manitoba, right before the recession, was actually beyond reasonably healthy, and it does have something to do with an NDP government that hasn't exactly been unfriendly to business.

jmt18325 · #**497** Posted **Oct 21, 2011, 4:24 AM**

So, MRIs for Dauphin, Selkirk, and what seems to be the Grace (Steinbach, Victoria, Seven Oaks, and Concordia should be next, I think), tele health for my own little community, two new ambulance stations.

That alone shows me that the right people won.

Winnipegger@Heart · #**498** Posted **Nov 10, 2011, 11:57 AM**

http://www.winnipegsun.com/2011/11/0...to-fix-economy

jmt18325 · #**499** Posted **Nov 10, 2011, 4:21 PM**

Except that Manitoba, in 2009, didn't shrink, so was still ahead of many provinces. This year and next, we're projected to have above average growth.

The only reason Manitoba is weak is because of the weakness in the world markets that we sell to - and most of that is because US weakness. Manitoba has also seen job growth overall, and has one of the lowest unemployment rates in the country.

I should have stooped reading when I read who wrote the article.

Riverman · #**500** Posted **Nov 10, 2011, 4:50 PM**

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Originally Posted by jmt18325

I should have stooped reading when I read who wrote the article.

The reporter was reporting. The facts came from Statistics Canada.

Such continual denial is unhealthy.