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Old Posted Nov 2, 2019, 2:26 PM
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Don’t see what one has to do with the other but I stand by my opinion that most people are not really advocating to spend billions because they are passionate about semi-trailers getting out of the city a few minutes faster. Maybe I’m wrong. Maybe people are super passionate about the movement of goods.
I don't know that it needs to be a matter of "passion". It is more of a recognition that, in a world of just-in-time shipping and tight supply chains, the sort of businesses that Winnipeg has need quick and predictable access to the world via the Trans-Canada Highway and Highway 75/I-29. That might not mean elaborate interchanges but it does mean significant improvements.
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There is also a lot of data to show when the design speed of a highway is increased, accidents also increase. The idea that building high speed interchanges increases safety is not necessarily correct. Speed and accident rates are almost always related.

If we really care about safety on the perimeter, by far the most effective solution is to reduce the speed limit to 80, not make the road bigger so we can drive even faster.
I don't think the idea is to raise the current limit (by much, anyway) as to make sure that people can drive at that limit more often and more consistently.
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There is also a lot of data to show when the design speed of a highway is increased, accidents also increase. The idea that building high speed interchanges increases safety is not necessarily correct. Speed and accident rates are almost always related.

If we really care about safety on the perimeter, by far the most effective solution is to reduce the speed limit to 80, not make the road bigger so we can drive even faster.

But of course we would never do that because it’s not really about safety.
Ok I dont buy this argument. The whole reason we would upgrade the perimeter isn't to go faster, though it would be a perk of the improvement of flow.

The whole point is to remove the at grade meeting of a major highway with uncontrolled access points (number 1) and no. 2, to remove high volume access at lights which increases the likelihood of collisions too.

If you actually break down the numbers, the speed isnt the issue, it's the combination of speed with traffic going in different directions and causing the mixing of high and low speeds. Very few collisions happen outside of these parameters. However I'd venture a guess and say that it's possible that the relic that is the south perimeter (and all its dangerous features like curbs, lack of inside shoulder, lack of acceleration lanes, ad nauseam) is a significant factor in most of the collisions that take place between vehicles travelling in the same direction, without a doubt.

Not to mention the volumes of traffic at peak hours are beyond what a roadway like that should sustain.

A by-product of making the road safer and bringing it in line with what drivers can expect in the rest of the developed world is that the speed of the roadway naturally increases.

Your suggestion of lowering the speed limit is the band aid solution. People won't likely slow down that much (psychological visual cues will cause them to drive much faster)

The perimeter is unacceptable and embarrassing for a mid sized city in the 21st century. The issue is just as big inside the city, don't get me wrong, but it would be irresponsible to suggest the solution would be to effectively do nothing.

And just for the record, I think that a really good transit network that reduces car use would be great, I'm a huge proponent for that, but the people using the perimeter likely aren't doing it at the expense of the transit system.
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Old Posted Nov 2, 2019, 3:36 PM
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If we really care about safety on the perimeter, by far the most effective solution is to reduce the speed limit to 80, not make the road bigger so we can drive even faster.
That is a very bad idea.
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The most reliable and long-term way to improve traffic flow is increasing transit ridership, not spending billions on cloverleafs....
You want grain to get to market via Transit? You want a sterotypical family of 4 to use transit to get one kid to a 615 hockey practice and another to a 645 game the other side of the city? Transit is perfect to travel to school or work, but “life” needs more than transit.
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Don’t see what one has to do with the other but I stand by my opinion that most people are not really advocating to spend billions because they are passionate about semi-trailers getting out of the city a few minutes faster. Maybe I’m wrong. Maybe people are super passionate about the movement of goods.
Don't worry about it Vike. Just found it amusing that if advocates for something you support have their motives questioned, it's "How absurb! Of course accessibility is our number 1 concern! Who are you question us?". But if it's people advocating for something you don't support, its "they are selfish, they only want to drive faster! They say safety and goods movement, but those are just ulterior motives."
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You want grain to get to market via Transit? You want a sterotypical family of 4 to use transit to get one kid to a 615 hockey practice and another to a 645 game the other side of the city? Transit is perfect to travel to school or work, but “life” needs more than transit.
do you know why there are even grain trucks on the highways now? because railway companies keep tearing out tracks (that they got the land for free and don't pay taxes on btw) and making farmers eat the costs of transport. do you support that? why is it inherently better to use trucks to transport grain over rail?

the reason things are so far apart in the first place is because we have cars and massive amounts of roadways, why are you advocating worsening that problem?
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Ok I dont buy this argument. The whole reason we would upgrade the perimeter isn't to go faster, though it would be a perk of the improvement of flow.

The whole point is to remove the at grade meeting of a major highway with uncontrolled access points (number 1) and no. 2, to remove high volume access at lights which increases the likelihood of collisions too.

If you actually break down the numbers, the speed isnt the issue, it's the combination of speed with traffic going in different directions and causing the mixing of high and low speeds. Very few collisions happen outside of these parameters. However I'd venture a guess and say that it's possible that the relic that is the south perimeter (and all its dangerous features like curbs, lack of inside shoulder, lack of acceleration lanes, ad nauseam) is a significant factor in most of the collisions that take place between vehicles travelling in the same direction, without a doubt.

Not to mention the volumes of traffic at peak hours are beyond what a roadway like that should sustain.

A by-product of making the road safer and bringing it in line with what drivers can expect in the rest of the developed world is that the speed of the roadway naturally increases.

Your suggestion of lowering the speed limit is the band aid solution. People won't likely slow down that much (psychological visual cues will cause them to drive much faster)

The perimeter is unacceptable and embarrassing for a mid sized city in the 21st century. The issue is just as big inside the city, don't get me wrong, but it would be irresponsible to suggest the solution would be to effectively do nothing.

And just for the record, I think that a really good transit network that reduces car use would be great, I'm a huge proponent for that, but the people using the perimeter likely aren't doing it at the expense of the transit system.
yes my dude, cities around the "developed world" are definitely increasing their roadway speeds

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it's a stupid waste of money that is only going to benefit trucking companies (whose industry is already incentivized and subsidized) and suburban commuters (who already have their commutes subsidized). lower the speed and invest in railways

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do you know why there are even grain trucks on the highways now? because railway companies keep tearing out tracks (that they got the land for free and don't pay taxes on btw) and making farmers eat the costs of transport. do you support that? why is it inherently better to use trucks to transport grain over rail?

the reason things are so far apart in the first place is because we have cars and massive amounts of roadways, why are you advocating worsening that problem?
The reason things are so far apart is because Canada is massive and has a tiny population. Rail is not a realistic way of servicing all rural communities. Gonna take the train to the hospital in an emergency? Give me a break. Lol, if you’re concerned about the environment so much you’d know that proper traffic flow can reduce emissions. Having proper traffic flow on our existing roadways, like the perimeter, would decrease our carbon footprint. At the same time it would improve safety. Our perimeter is a joke, there should be zero uncontrolled intersections, and there should be no lights. Flyovers and diamonds. If Regina can do it why the hell cant we.
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Until the city, province, and feds, start to take our infrastructure problem seriously, traffic is only gonna get worse and more people will be hurt. We need to take the infrastructure crisis in Manitoba seriously. Improved traffic flow in Winnipeg will make transit more of an option for more people, until that happens ridership won’t increase. Winnipeg also needs to take its weather seriously and recognize that people should have warm accessible public transit options, We need to go underground, it’s nice being in a place like Montréal where one can go all over the city without a winter coat and no worrying about when your bus is coming standing on a windswept corner in minus 30.
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why not just teach people how to dress for winter and have a denser city so you travel less distance? we live in a winter city, it’s stupid to wear suits and skirts and heels and dress shoes when it’s cold. the solution isn’t to spend billions of dollars so people can do fashion all year
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riverwalk on assiniboine is being re-painted - wait for it - grey and black
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riverwalk on assiniboine is being re-painted - wait for it - grey and black
I'd be more worried (and opposed) if progressives renamed it "The Commons" and put a statue of Stalin on it.
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why not just teach people how to dress for winter and have a denser city so you travel less distance? we live in a winter city, it’s stupid to wear suits and skirts and heels and dress shoes when it’s cold. the solution isn’t to spend billions of dollars so people can do fashion all year
It’s not about fashion, it’s about accessibility, a city that is connected with proper rapid public transit allows youth, seniors, and the disabled to live fuller lives. The fact that a disabled or elderly person can be isolated here in their home for weeks on end because the city refuses to plough sidewalks properly, doesn’t make for a healthy fulfilling environment. Winter can be nice, but it can also be a relentless bitch. The city should do more to accommodate its citizens by creating connected interior environments. Cities in hot climates use architecture and landscaping to create spaces with microclimates that are cooler than the surrounding areas. They do this so the citizens can be outside and enjoy the surroundings without having to be in an air conditioned building. Winnipeg needs to do the opposite. It would make for a happier city.
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You want grain to get to market via Transit? You want a sterotypical family of 4 to use transit to get one kid to a 615 hockey practice and another to a 645 game the other side of the city? Transit is perfect to travel to school or work, but “life” needs more than transit.
You're kinda missing the point. Better transit = higher ridership = less congestion = faster travel times for everybody. The happy nuclear family doesn't need to take transit themselves, if there are more transit riders and fewer vehicles on the road it still means they will get their brats to practice faster.
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Excellent construction update @WPG_Guy. Appreciate it. Didn't realize how far along the pump house project was!
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Excellent construction update @WPG_Guy. Appreciate it. Didn't realize how far along the pump house project was!
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