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Old Posted Mar 5, 2008, 3:39 PM
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That's too bad. But at any rate it's still tall for Lexington and a pretty good design to boot. A nice addition to the skyline. In reality, from some points around the city, you can only see the BBB. From those perspectives, our skyline just doubled in size.
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Old Posted Mar 5, 2008, 3:51 PM
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Is the residential component going to be condos or apartments?

That sounds too short though. Our Hilton hotel has 31 floors, including 5 levels of condominiums and it's 377 feet. Then there's the 37-story Altavida (apartments) that is going to be 412 feet.
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Old Posted Mar 5, 2008, 5:39 PM
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Considering it's going to be a four star hotel, I would assume it will be higher end condos. Some lady asked at the presentation yesterday if it would have affordable housing and they said no because the land cost to much to make that feasible.
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Old Posted Mar 5, 2008, 5:50 PM
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yeah it kind of sucks it's only going to be 4 feet from being the tallest building in lexington. you'd think the developers would 'want' to do something about that. i really like the design and i think the aggressive timetable is definitely not out of reach.
     
     
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Even if less room is needed between floors, is EVERY floor going to have an 8 foot ceiling? I find that highly unlikely. Plus add the elevator penthouse/crown and I find it strange that this thing would barely top 400 feet.
     
     
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^ Agreed, very strange.
     
     
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so i have started a google sketchup model of the building and this what I have so far. I thought I would do this to show some different angles of the building
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Blue Grass Trust 'disappointed' in downtown project
By Beverly Fortune

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The Blue Grass Trust for Historic Preservation issued a statement Wednesday saying it was disappointed that numerous buildings that "most agree have historical significance to Lexington will be destroyed" by a redevelopment of the Main Street block with a 40-story hotel tower.

"We hope that as the plans are further developed and the input of all of the citizens of Lexington is received, that the plans can be revised to accommodate the preservation of these historic structures," the statement said.

The hotel, condominiums and retail space in the $250 million CentrePointe project would take the entire block bounded by Main, Upper and Vine streets and Limestone. Among the businesses on the block are The Dame music club, Buster's bar and Mia's bar and restaurant.

Julie Good, executive director of the trust, said earlier this week that Lexington's premier historic-preservation group advocates redevelopment of the block, but in a way that blends the new with the historical.

The trust said Tuesday that it hopes to be invited to discussions with developers and the public to explain its position.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 6, 2008, 1:25 AM
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Looks like it will have 9 foot tall floors with 6 inches in between floors and adding the Taller first 6 floors and the mechanical pentouse 406 looks accurate. Make the floors 10 feet like 360 condos in Austin and add a crown and 500 feet is ours.
     
     
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MikeR, nice work. Keep it up!
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CENTREPOINTE'S PLACE IN DOWNTOWN LEXINGTON
Sizing up the project
Concerns swirl over plans for skyscraper
By Beverly Fortune
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The Lexington skyline would be dramatically changed by the proposed CentrePointe project. Many worry about its height, while others question elements of the design, and concern over the need for more hotel rooms downtown has been voiced. Photo Illustration by Mark Cornelison & Chris Ware | Staff
Project's financing in limbo until legislature reviews program
Responses from tourism industry vary widely
Comments A rendering of a 40-story skyscraper proposed for downtown Lexington has stirred debate beyond whether to preserve a dozen historic buildings on the block and the entertainment businesses they house.

A day after the project was officially announced, some architects and others raised this question: How big is too big?

The $250 million CentrePointe project -- with a 273-room hotel, 77 condominiums and 26,000 square feet of retail space -- would take the entire block bounded by Main, Upper and Vine streets and North Limestone.

"It's very troubling because of its size," said Graham Pohl, a Lexington architect who frequently writes about architecture.

Vice Mayor Jim Gray, who expressed concern about the scale of the buildings at the Urban County Council's Tuesday work session, said the Downtown Master Plan that cost $400,000 and involved input from hundreds of citizens called for a maximum building height of 15 stories in the downtown core.

"You can't ask people for their input, get community consensus and then ignore it," he said.

That recommendation in the downtown plan was taken out when the plan went before the Planning Commission for approval. The commission said it needed more study, said Harold Tate, president of the Downtown Development Authority.

Charlie Barnhart, one of the architects for the project, described the skyscraper, with a stair-step look at several different heights, as "very responsive to the scale of buildings in downtown Lexington." The base of the building is "intentionally limited to four stories in direct response to the Courthouse Area guidelines," he said.

Much of the block is in the Courthouse Design Review Area, and subject to design guidelines. One guideline said that new construction should appear similar in mass and scale to nearby buildings.

The 406-foot tower, Barnhart said, will not be seen by pedestrians on the street. "To see the tower, you have to get on the edge of the street and look straight up," he said.

To some early critics of the proposed development, drawings of the building released Tuesday appear to show other problems: stretches of concrete wall along the sidewalk, shops that can be entered only from an interior mall, skywalks and a pedestrian-unfriendly feeling.

However, Barnhart said those impressions are wrong. He said the drawing is meant to show only the building's mass, not design details such as columns and storefronts. "That's the risk of showing a design that is not finished," he said. "The design is still evolving."

On North Limestone and Upper, the CentrePointe building would have retail shops accessible from the sidewalk with large windows and awnings, Barnhart said. All retail space could be entered from the outside.

Many cities are pulling down skywalks built in the 1980s as a way to get people walking on sidewalks. The CentrePointe development shows two skyways -- one connecting the hotel to a proposed garage on part of Phoenix Park on North Limestone, another connecting to the Financial Center garage on Upper Street.

Barnhart said he did not know whether the skywalks "will ultimately survive" or be eliminated.

Others who saw the plan also questioned why it appears to be oriented toward Vine Street instead of Main Street. But developer Dudley Webb said the main entrance to the hotel will be on Main Street with a circular drive, a covered entrance, brass revolving doors and a doorman. There will also be an entrance to the hotel off Vine Street with some parking for guests.

David Mohney, former dean of the University of Kentucky College of Design, raised concerns about the heft of the project, saying it appears too large for a downtown that "is small in size and small in scale." He said he thought there was "a whole range of little tweaks" that would improve its design.

He also said it is time Lexington had a professional peer review process established for new downtown buildings where other architects offer "tweaks that can tighten up the design."

The Blue Grass Trust for Historic Preservation issued a statement Wednesday saying it is disappointed that plans for the mixed-use project show that historic buildings on the site will be razed. The city's oldest preservation group said it backed redevelopment of the block, but wants it done in a way that blends the new with the historic.

While some other mixed-use projects downtown have struggled to fill their retail space, Webb expressed confidence in filling his space because of the 77 condominiums and guests coming to the hotel. "We have critical mass that can support retail," he said.

Webb said he already has commitments for 10,000 square feet of the retail space. Part of that will be for a wine, cheese and fruit store that Webb said will be locally owned.

Next week, a meeting of the CentrePointe architects, engineers and city representatives will be held to do further planning on the project.

Webb said interested groups or citizens can ask questions or express concerns to the project's architects and engineers by calling his office at (859) 253-0000.

     
     
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sorry, i was assuming the completion of museum plaza on that fact. second tallest after museum plaza. tallest before!
Where in the world did you get that this building was gonna be anywhere near the second tallest building in Ky, and tallest not counting MP??? This thing is gonna be 406 ft, which is shorter than Humana, at 417 ft, PNC Plaza, at 420 ft, National City Tower, at 512 ft, & Aegon Center, at 549 ft. It won't even be in the top 5 for the state, so before making a statement like it's gonna be the tallest in the state, make sure it's true. NCT is also 40 stories, if that's what you based your belief of it being tallest on, the number of floors are the same for the two, but one is a residential tower and one is a business tower and there are generally a lot of difference in the floor height between the two. I'm not being harsh, but I do think it was premature to shout tallest before you even have facts. It is a very nice building though and I'm glad Lexington may be getting a new tower!
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Probably just the typical slipshod journalism. I'd imagine they were thinking in terms of number of stories as opposed to height in feet.

In any case, sounds like Museum Plaza might be in doubt.
     
     
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Obviously it was premature, as numbers have come out indicating a height of 405 ft. But like many people noted before, 405 ft. seems very small for a building that's 40 stories, even with residential units. Being a mixed-use building, I thought the 40 story tower would have been much higher, tallest in Lexington for sure. The observation of it being bigger than Aegon was probably the most premature call. So, sorry for that.
     
     
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Museum Plaza has 708ft tallest in kentucky

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^^^Exactly. 13 or so ft per floor is fairly standard for office construction whereas most residential is around 10 ft per floor. The reason is that office has higher ceilings and, usually, dropped ceilings for conduit and ductwork in the ceilings.
     
     
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Yet, it is not at all uncommon to see 12' or better in today's residentail towers, especially with any sort of decorative top.

Hopefully the developer is low-balling.
     
     
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lexington have tall building than Mp??? but Louisville huge city than Lexington there???
     
     
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here is a conceptual rendering of how it will look in the skyline
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Reguardless of exact height, it's a very nice building and will have a tremendous impact on downtown. Nice!
     
     
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