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Nice. That one is wallpaper worthy.
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It's a lovely photo... quite artistic, nice lighting on the clouds and a fine balance of large sky juxtaposed against small skyline.

Now I want to see the buildings!
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Old Posted Jul 11, 2008, 3:50 PM
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I think SA is merely lacking in density. We could add a couple of 600'-700' buildings and a bunch of 300-400'... oh wait, I said this already haha.

Sigh.
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a Neisner Building update has been posted on the MySa real estate blog...LINK...

they have updates on timelines, a quote from Andres, and a couple of renderings, including this one:


(photo from Parsons via above MySa.com address)
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Old Posted Jul 14, 2008, 6:46 PM
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A four-story hotel is slated for 1024 S Laredo... This last week's SA Biz Journal showed that it had received a city building permit for a $2M structure.

Hardly earth-shattering news, but another surface parking lot is going away.

FYI, S Laredo runs along I-35 on the west side of downtown - this address puts it 2 blocks south of Durango and 2 blocks west of S Flores and Guenther.
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Old Posted Jul 14, 2008, 11:53 PM
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DT SA does have density, just maybe not in the 600-700 ft dept.
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Old Posted Jul 15, 2008, 12:33 AM
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I think SA is merely lacking in density. We could add a couple of 600'-700' buildings and a bunch of 300-400'... oh wait, I said this already haha.

Sigh.
I don't know if you can say its lacking density, maybe its just a relative lack of density outside of the Riverwalk. Certainly there's little density visible from the freeway or from certain angles in pictures, but in the places where SA is dense, it blows anything else in TX out of the water, IMO.

Of course height is an issue, and probably always will be, but to me density makes up for a lack of height more effectively than height makes up for a lack of density. A city like Charlotte looks impressive from the highway, but look at an aerial photograph and you notice there's an awful lot of parking lots separating those 600' and 700'ers. SA was just built around a different set of values, and I for one am cool with that
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Very nice picture up there. Love the clouds and deep blue.
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SA Photo

That's one of the nicest SA skyline photos I've seen. Nice Job!
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Vidorra is mentioned as incorporating some green features in the building. Nothing too incredible. I would expect more from Tower 2. Of course, Vidorra is pretty affordable, so maybe the economics for Tower 2 will say cut the green features to keep the price down...


The condos will feature several green features:

•Reflective surfaces on balconies to prevent heat build-up

•Energy Star appliances

•Hypoallergenic, recycled carpet pad

•Insulated roof system to reduce heat trapped by the roof

•Collection areas for homeowners to recycle

•Low-flow toilets

•Water-conscious landscaping materials

For more information, visit www.vidorraliving.com.

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DT SA does have density, just maybe not in the 600-700 ft dept.
That's what I meant, thanks for repeating it.

I know we're very dense on the river level and in most of downtown, but the skyline does indeed reveal that above that, there's not much. Admittedly, there isn't much to see as far as scenery goes, but it'd still be nice to have some towers go up.

Just no market for them.
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Vidorra is mentioned as incorporating some green features in the building. Nothing too incredible. I would expect more from Tower 2. Of course, Vidorra is pretty affordable, so maybe the economics for Tower 2 will say cut the green features to keep the price down...


The condos will feature several green features:

•Reflective surfaces on balconies to prevent heat build-up

•Energy Star appliances

•Hypoallergenic, recycled carpet pad

•Insulated roof system to reduce heat trapped by the roof

•Collection areas for homeowners to recycle

•Low-flow toilets

•Water-conscious landscaping materials

For more information, visit www.vidorraliving.com.

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I wonder how long we can go without hearing any word on tower 2 before we have to officially label it a stale proposal or even write it off completely? You have to wonder, given that we know the market for potential buyers will be reduced by at least 700 by the end of the year. . .

I really don't mean to go all Johnny Raincloud, but the fact that months have gone by without hearing anything on Vidorra 2 just seems ominous to me.
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I wonder how long we can go without hearing any word on tower 2 before we have to officially label it a stale proposal or even write it off completely? You have to wonder, given that we know the market for potential buyers will be reduced by at least 700 by the end of the year. . .

I really don't mean to go all Johnny Raincloud, but the fact that months have gone by without hearing anything on Vidorra 2 just seems ominous to me.
our "people who know things" insist that it is still coming - but not before vidorra 1 is finished and 80% sold. that makes february 2009 the earliest we could expect any sort of announcement. patience...
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Old Posted Jul 15, 2008, 7:35 PM
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Thanks, sakyle. Patience isn't really one of my strong-suits :p

That's the first I've heard about them not wanting to start tower 2 before 1 is finished. Makes since, considering Koontz-McCombs has said similar regarding the Devine condos not starting until the Broadway is finished.
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Thanks, sakyle. Patience isn't really one of my strong-suits :p

That's the first I've heard about them not wanting to start tower 2 before 1 is finished. Makes since, considering Koontz-McCombs has said similar regarding the Devine condos not starting until the Broadway is finished.
ever known someone who is trying to sell a house in a subdivision that hasn't been built out yet? can't get a good price since people can walk down the street and customize a new unit from the beginning rather than taking on your 2 yeard-old place...i like to think of it that way, even if it isn't really the same thing.

i would assume that the good folks trying to sell the units in Tower 1 wouldn't really be helped by an entirely new tower being announced - the same units in Tower 2 would sell (best views/floors) as they had in Tower 1 and you would be left with a glut of 5th - 8th floor units with views to the east.

better this way.

also, remember that tower 2 would probably have to be pre-sold just like tower 1 (60%) before construction...it will be a couple of years.
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Emporis typically has bad or no information to begin with. It's also poorly updated, especially if you do not life in a "hip" city.
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ever known someone who is trying to sell a house in a subdivision that hasn't been built out yet? can't get a good price since people can walk down the street and customize a new unit from the beginning rather than taking on your 2 yeard-old place...i like to think of it that way, even if it isn't really the same thing.

i would assume that the good folks trying to sell the units in Tower 1 wouldn't really be helped by an entirely new tower being announced - the same units in Tower 2 would sell (best views/floors) as they had in Tower 1 and you would be left with a glut of 5th - 8th floor units with views to the east.

better this way.

also, remember that tower 2 would probably have to be pre-sold just like tower 1 (60%) before construction...it will be a couple of years.
All very true. Thanks for setting me straight
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Emporis typically has bad or no information to begin with. It's also poorly updated, especially if you do not life in a "hip" city.
I'm actually the main editor for San Antonio at Emporis. I know the data there for San Antonio isn't complete, and isn't always up to date. Unless you live in the city you're trying to update, it's very hard to keep tabs on everything. The best thing would be for someone who actually lives in San Antonio and is dedicated to keeping tabs on its data, to sign up as an editor there. I've tried to keep updated on stuff in downtown, but most of the stuff outside of downtown is harder to keep track of, especially if you don't live there. I would love it if someone else joined up and contributed who actually lives in San Antonio and is familiar with all the developments inside and outside of downtown. I know for sure there are a lot of high rises that are outside of downtown that are missing from the database. There's no way there's only 90 high rises in San Antonio. I'm not sure of the exact number that are missing, but there are a good bit. It's kind of hard to add something to the database if you don't even know if it exists!
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