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Old Posted Nov 27, 2018, 5:36 PM
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yea its criminal what they did to it

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Old Posted Nov 27, 2018, 5:56 PM
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^ Yeah. Sometimes I don't understand why these people insist on doing stuff like this and make perfectly good things mediocre or worse.
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Old Posted Nov 27, 2018, 6:36 PM
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^It's just business. Thoughtless opportunistic business, but nonetheless business. They figured by butchering the original recessed storefront they could ink out an additional 300 square feet or so of floor space. Hopefully one of these days the original design can be restored.
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my recollection of the argument at the time was that modern retailers want maximum window frontage, and an entrance in a recessed area set back from the sidewalk dosent do a good job of drawing people in. and they may have a point but that space could have been activated in a creative way while still honoring the architectural merits of the original design. once the original design is compromised its almost impossible to ever restore its former integrity. esp in this situation where as evidenced by the posts calling for it to be torn down, the damage has already been done and the appreciation for what it once was has already been lost in the butchering.
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Old Posted Nov 27, 2018, 7:34 PM
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Honestly those recessed entry storefronts aren't as nice as they seem at first. There are still a few old examples left around the city.
The low entry ceilings create a smushed feeling upon entry and they're generally kind of dark.
It's kind of like being under a mini bridge.
Plus they create perfect little nooks for homeless people to hang out all night (nothing against the homeless, but that's what happens).
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Old Posted Nov 27, 2018, 7:54 PM
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theres an example on Chicago Ave, which is now epic spices. they sort of added an additional door that leads in to the vestibule, but essentially the same concept. its a really beautiful old storefront with a ton of character. not a great photo but you get the idea. the glass plays all sorts of fun little tricks with reflections and the original trim really completes the package. you can also see how they used the little trick of the leading lines of both the terrazzo and windows of drawing you in...its literally all pointing inward and has a slight funhouse effect





Ten Cat Tavern, which at one time was a storefront, is another one






i personally love the design and find them very elegant entryways. in comparison to these smaller scale example, Chandlers was the obvious reigning king of this vestibule type and again, i find its wanton destruction quite sad. the glass they tore out was also all original/antique and had that certain quality you simply dont find in modern examples

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Old Posted Nov 27, 2018, 8:27 PM
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In alot of German cities there's shopping centers that look just like that Chandlers shoes entryway, except the vestibule would cut through the whole block like that. Then there would be several small shops all the way to the other side of the block. In person those shopping centers are kind of dark and not very nice in person, but they seem to do ok in Germany. Although even the downtown of a midsize German city has the same foot traffic as the loop.

I love those smaller examples in the neighborhoods. I think they are very elegant and nicer than just a flat window along the street, it seems more inviting and draws you into the shop. I wish more retail was built like that now.
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I think most old cities have at least one example of things like that.
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We do have spaces like this, they are called lobbies and and there are a shit ton of them. We just aren't insane leaving the end open to be a wind tunnel when we could just heat the space and cool it in the summer...

This is no different than city hall or the rookery, it just is left open to the elements.

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Just for the hell of it, one of my favorite storefronts of all time, the former Robinson store in Philadelphia:

https://hiddencityphila.org/wp-conte...story.org_.jpg
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Is echelon at K station being repainted from that dark yellow color to a light grey? Looks like half the building is light grey and the corners are still yellow. Great choice if that is the case; that building stood out like a sore thumb in the city skyline.
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We're not really talking about that type of open-air retail arcade in Budapest.

Here's another example of a recessed storefront (this one is from St. Louis):

https://i.imgur.com/6pWbLle.jpg

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They were very popular in the 1930s. Imo they only work well if they're brightly lit, in high traffic areas, and have been well maintained.

They still make sense for theaters where you expect lines to form at the ticket booth that you don't want backed up onto the sidewalk. Almost all old theaters have them.
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The one downside to many of those Deco era storefront modernizations is that they can feel cramped. Like someone else said and that photo shows, the scale is rarely grand, with the tall glazing of the previous architectural fashion replaced with space for large signage and low vestibule ceilings as a result.
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Is echelon at K station being repainted from that dark yellow color to a light grey? Looks like half the building is light grey and the corners are still yellow. Great choice if that is the case; that building stood out like a sore thumb in the city skyline.
Yea they started in the summer but much of the summer the painters were on strike. My guess is that is why it is not complete yet and might have to wait until spring.
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Even the Chandler Shoes storefront was a modernization of an earlier and itself handsome facade, which had also been modernized.

http://digital-libraries.saic.edu/cd...id/38202/rec/6
https://images.chicagohistory.org/de...n-building.htm
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Is echelon at K station being repainted from that dark yellow color to a light grey? Looks like half the building is light grey and the corners are still yellow. Great choice if that is the case; that building stood out like a sore thumb in the city skyline.
I noticed that too. The new color is fine, but I kinda liked the yellow as well.
It had a sort of Sim City 2000 look to it.
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I noticed that too. The new color is fine, but I kinda liked the yellow as well.
It had a sort of Sim City 2000 look to it.
Yeah, the yellow was fine and at least had the benefit of differentiating the building from the twins on Kinzie and K2. Now when viewed from the west and north west it reads as a flat homogenous blob. It is a similar, if smaller in scale, to the beige groupings of of buildings in river north. Looks blah.
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Even the Chandler Shoes storefront was a modernization of an earlier and itself handsome facade, which had also been modernized.

http://digital-libraries.saic.edu/cd...id/38202/rec/6
https://images.chicagohistory.org/de...n-building.htm
Thanks for that interesting bit of history. Interesting that the prior version was also carried out by Holabird and Roche. The difference of course being that the modernization of the lower floors there still made for a handsome building.
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Interesting, I like the original design the best. It was really classy. The 30's deco is kind of fun though too. The later 50's design I'm guessing didn't age as well.
It shows how deco blended in with classical by using the same proportions, but in a fun hip style. Then in the 50's they threw classical proportions out the window to be modern. Classical proportions were around since the ancient Greeks, and are generally what humans relate to as being balanced.
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