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Old Posted Dec 27, 2006, 7:42 AM
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I thought they already sold them, hence just the Ducks now (no 'Mighty').
Damn you Disney....well I guess it would be cool to take them....should we rent a van and steal them in the night?
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Old Posted Dec 29, 2006, 11:53 AM
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of all the "real" major league sports, those with widespread tv coverage, i'd say hockey is probably the most compatible with portland, coming from both a fan perspective and a land use one. its an arena sport so it would not take up much space, compared to a baseball stadium or football field, it carries a established team/brand recognition, and since its season pretty much coincides with the worst of portland's weather, it gives us an excuse to do something fun and not get wet. hiking is great, and riding mount hood is a blast, but getting swilly and watching dudes on skates fight is cool too.
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but getting swilly and watching dudes on skates fight is cool too.
thats what I'm talkin about!!!
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they don't mention portland but im sure they are still in the conversation. there is some additional discussion over at this site: http://blazersedge.com/story/2007/3/6/04239/14209
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Penguins to aggressively explore relocation
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PITTSBURGH -- The Penguins moved a step closer to leaving Pittsburgh, declaring on Monday an impasse in their new arena negotiations with state and local leaders and saying they will actively pursue relocation.

The breakdown in arena talks came only three days after Gov. Ed Rendell said he felt an agreement was close. It also increases the possibility the Penguins will be playing in Kansas City next season.

"We have made a single-minded effort to bring this new arena to a successful conclusion and keep the team in Pittsburgh," owners Mario Lemieux and Ron Burkle said in a letter to Rendell and local government officials. "... Our good-faith efforts have not produced a deal, however, and have only added more anxiety to what we thought at best was a risky proposition for us moving forward."

In the letter, Lemieux and Burkle put the blame for the impasse on government officials, arguing they agreed to pay $120 million over 30 years to help build a $290 million arena and cover construction cost overruns, yet still have not reached a deal.

NHL commissioner Gary Bettman became involved in the talks several weeks ago but has also been unable to finalize an agreement.

"We can do no more," Lemieux, the longtime Penguins star, and Burkle said in the letter.

Pittsburgh mayor Luke Ravenstahl told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette on Tuesday that he and other elected officials have "reached out" to the team since receiving the letter.

"I still believe that we are very close to getting this deal," Ravenstahl told the newspaper, adding that he, the Penguins, Allegheny County chief executive Dan Onorato and Rendell need to "sit down, talk about the specifics, find out where we're not in agreement, and go from there."

Rendell also said in a statement Tuesday that "an exceptionally attractive offer [was] on the table" for the Penguins and that he would "continue to work with all the parties in refining the offer in an effort to try to reach an agreement." Rendell's spokesman, Chuck Ardo, said that no talks are scheduled but the governor was willing to attend a meeting if one "is warranted."

"The governor has said on numerous occasions that he believes this is the best arena or stadium deal any sports team in Pennsylvania has been offered," Ardo told the Post-Gazette.

The Penguins had an agreement with Isle of Capri Casinos to build the arena at no expense to the team or taxpayers in exchange for a license to build a Pittsburgh slots casino, but a state board in December chose a competing bid.

On Jan. 4, the team, state, city and Allegheny County began negotiating an alternate arena funding plan. At the time, government officials were asking for the team to contribute about $4.1 million per year but lowered that to $2.8 million during the first round of negotiations.

During subsequent talks, the Penguins agreed to up that annual contribution to $3.6 million, plus $400,000 in operating expenses, after the state said there was a funding shortfall. However, the two sides still could not close a deal.

Kansas City has offered its nearly completed Sprint Center to the Penguins rent-free. The Penguins would also gain revenue from development projects around the arena.

However, the Penguins would be leaving one of the NHL's strongest U.S. markets for a smaller one that lost an NHL team in 1976 after only two seasons because of lack of support. The Penguins' home attendance and local TV ratings are among the strongest of the 24 United States-based franchises.

Though the Pittsburgh-to-Kansas City buzz has kept both towns talking -- and wondering -- all winter, at least a couple officials from Kansas City's end have been skeptical about it happening.

William "Boots" Del Biaggio III, who has offered to put up $200 million to bring an NHL team to Kansas City, recently expressed pessimism the NHL would move hockey out of a "great city" like Pittsburgh. The Penguins, buoyed by the success of young phenom and NHL scoring leader Sidney Crosby, are zooming toward the playoffs and are a hot ticket in town.

Lemieux, frustrated with the politics of replacing the NHL's oldest arena, issued a 30-day deadline of whether to accept Kansas City's offer to move into the Sprint Center. That timeline has now stretched to two months with no resolution.

When Lemieux's group bought the team in federal bankruptcy court in 1999, the Hall of Fame player said he did so to ensure the team's existence in Pittsburgh.

The Penguins' hardball negotiating stance comes with the team contending for a playoff spot for the first time in six years. A youthful team led by Crosby and rookies Evgeni Malkin and Jordan Staal has become one of the league's prime attendance draws.

At home, the Penguins are playing to nearly 96 percent of arena capacity for the season. All of their remaining nine home games are expected to attract standing-room-only crowds.

The Penguins have also begun selling season tickets for the 2007-08 season in Pittsburgh, even though they have not agreed to play there another season.

"They're tough negotiators," Rendell said.

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seems like Portland is out of the running for this one...and with Pauly back in ownership (is that done yet) of the Rose Garden, I doubt he will court any prospective tenants. He was the one who chased off Clyde Drexler trying to buy the WNBA team here Pauly was allowing to leave...or was it fold?

If Paul can't own it, I find it hard to believe he'd be willing to make a decent deal to allow another owner to use the Vulcan Rose Palace.
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If Portland gets a team, how would WA be divided between them and the Canucks? I say we should get everything from Snohomish County northward, and Portland should get Pierce County south. As for King Co., Seattle could be our Red Deer. Or would they be inclined to root for an American team?

In case we have the Pens in our division, I wonder if Roberto Luongo will be up to the task of stopping a budding Crosby and Malkin line. That would be a treat of a matchup.
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Old Posted Mar 7, 2007, 3:14 AM
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Portland needs to get another pro sports team. period. the blazers just don't cut it. if the penguins leave and go to KC, which it looks like they will, then this really sucks for portland--how many other cities that are smaller than portland are going to have more than one pro sports team!?!? Ugh, portland needs something else
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Old Posted Mar 7, 2007, 3:20 AM
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Get a soccer team.

It's the up-and-coming sport, and more people can relate to it there than any sport played on ice. And its season doesn't overlap much with basketball's.
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Old Posted Mar 7, 2007, 3:45 AM
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^^^yeah, soccer would be great...definitely a good fan base of football hooligans here in portland. i really, REALLY would like to see baseball come here. that would be great for the summer time.
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I wouldn't want an MLB team until the league has a salary cap.

You'd probably just be pumping your money into a losing team with little chance of a championship without one.
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Old Posted Mar 7, 2007, 6:41 AM
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"However, the Penguins would be leaving one of the NHL's strongest U.S. markets for a smaller one that lost an NHL team in 1976 after only two seasons because of lack of support."

Portland's market is now larger than Pittsburgh's. Don't think for a minute they're not considering us. Free rent in KC won't matter much if they can't fill the seats.
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Old Posted Mar 7, 2007, 8:32 AM
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After seeing the arena the Penguins play in i don't blame them for wanting to get out of there. It makes the coliseum look like staples center...
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Why isn't someone in local government vocally lobbying to bring the Penguins to Portland?
  • we're a big enough market that we can support another major league sport,
  • we've already got a venue that works for hockey
  • we have a decent existing hockey fan base (from the WinterHawks)
Whether you're a sports fan or not, I don't see any negatives to bringing them here.

I see it as a chance to bring another amenity to a great city, that sometimes seems to be afraid of growing even better.
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i see them in kc
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If they can come here without public subsidy I think it would be great! Hocky is one of the last great professional sports.
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Reports: Pens reach agreement to stay in Pittsburgh

The NHL, the governor, players, fans & pretty much nobody wanted the Penguins to leave Pittsburgh, but economics almost made it a reality. Now it looks like the danger has passed.

Multiple media outlets reported on Monday night that the team, state and local leaders have reached an agreement on a new arena that will keep the Penguins in Pittsburgh. KDKA-TV in Pittsburgh first reported the agreement on its Web site.

The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, citing unidentified sources, reported that the sides have reached agreement on terms for a new arena that will be ready for operation for the 2009-10 season.

The paper reports that the agreement includes a 30-year lease.

Continued at http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=2796552
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Old Posted Mar 13, 2007, 4:23 AM
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Old Posted Mar 13, 2007, 4:53 AM
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Well, atleast they didn't go anywhere else...it would have been a big disappointment had they gone to KC or Vegas
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wow... I never knew PDX was even in the running (Las Vegas, Houston, KC and even Tulsa)

Your Economic Area* Total Personal Income is VERY close to Pittsburgh's Economic Area... in 2004 (most recent numbers) your TPI was $92 Billion to our $96 Billion. While our Per Capita Personal Income is growing faster than yours, your Total Personal Income is growing faster than ours... which is due to faster population growth as your Per Capita Personal Income is actually falling behind the national average. But you've probably made up some of that $4 billion gap. You guys definately have enough TPI to support another franchise... maybe you can get the Predators!



*Economic Areas, not Metro Areas are usually used to determine the financial viability of a pro sports franchise. Economic Areas usually include the immediate MSA or CSA and surrounding areas that are economically related to the core node.
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arena issues

NHL would be cool for PDX, but I think MLS could be even better. Isnt Portland a huge soccer town? I know Univ of Portland is one of the top soccer schools for men and women in the NCAA. I think Portland and Seattle would both be great MLS markets. When Seahawks Stadium was built Seattle was told we would be awarded an MLS team, but aparently that was a big fat lie.

The problem with pro sports is they almost always expect local government to subsidize their arenas and stadiums. Are Portlanders willing to contribute tax dollars to a private pro sports team? The Sonics are leaving Seattle because we refuse to give them a cent for the new arena they want. Is it true the Blazers future in PDX is in doubt too?
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