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Old Posted Feb 18, 2009, 12:29 AM
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Hope that was quick enough

Boutique hotel wanted at Alamo Fish Market
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Dang I feel like someone doesn't like the idea of a 24 story building or hotel for that matter... But have to say it was pretty cool seeing all this talk on here form so quckly into action. Would've liked Mr. Olivio to be more open of this hopeful building in his blog but o well...
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We NEED this downtown! Too bad it couldn't be condos

Anything that looks nice, adds height, and creates more density is OK in my book. I'm really liking the locations proximity to Main Plaza. Besides, how many other viable high rises proposals have we seen lately?

I just read a story about hotel demand in SA increasing despite the economy. Let's work with what were given.

Exactly. When life hands you tourists....
Force them to stay and convert it to condos.


Oh guys, I just got some news.
Since this is pending denial, now they are thinking of spreading it out into 6 floors with 4 times the footprint and is now going to be Hotel Talavera.
J/K.
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I vomited a little in my mouth when I read this:

"The character of San Antonio's unique downtown is in part due to the juxtaposition of small and large buildings. The small buildings reinforce the pedestrian scale of the block and allow for light and air at the street and river level."

HDRC is such a joke. They are a close-minded group of individuals committed to the ideas and characteristics of the early 1900s.

Modern, environmentally friendly high-rises that bring SA to the 21st century? Not if the HDRC has a say.

Everything downtown has history... that doesn't make it historical
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Exactly. When life hands you tourists....
Force them to stay and convert it to condos.


Oh guys, I just got some news.
Since this is pending denial, now they are thinking of spreading it out into 6 floors with 4 times the footprint and is now going to be Hotel Talavera.
J/K.
Does anyone else think a high-rise timeshare would sell well on the Riverwalk
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I agree, just because there is a one-story building next to it shouldn't make a difference. There's no logic in that whose to say someone can't buy that building at some other point and develop it into a nice sized hotel/condo/office etc.
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I agree, just because there is a one-story building next to it shouldn't make a difference. There's no logic in that whose to say someone can't buy that building at some other point and develop it into a nice sized hotel/condo/office etc.
you wouldn't even be able to see it from this angle, maybe just a peek, but so what if it is next to the Esquire and it is only 1 story?
The Majestic has a 3 story next to it, the Marriott Rivercenter has a mall next to it and the Hilton has la Villita next to it.
And PSL(if it truly isn't dead) is going to have the Mexican Manhattan next to it at an amazing 1 floor as well. The Aloft will have the Ticket bar next to it at 1 floor as well.
Sure that might not be as big of difference as 24 to 1 but isn't that what makes urban landscapes great? the little oddities that make you kinda wonder?
Instead of wondering what a 24 story hotel (W) is doing there, maybe people will wonder how the Esquier has survived all the development?
Like Joskes built around the church


or that the Fairmont was moved to make way for the Marriott RC? (world record by the way)
or the fact that nobody can believe that the Alamo is in the middle of DT and that it is so small in person?

I wish they had as much opposition to a parking lot next to anything DT.
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Aren't there already timeshares on the riverwalk? Phase two of Cascada?
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What is the Esquire building, if I may ask?
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There may be a thing about this on KSAT. Maybe tonight or tomorrow. I'm still working that out.
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What is the Esquire building, if I may ask?
A popular bar that was sold and was then going to be turned into a restaurant (I think?) before it was settled that it would be refurbished into a bar again. It's right next to the Alamo Fish building.
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We need to organize to fight for this. I want this downtown. Most of us do. Is it an open meeting tomorrow? BTW, thanks SKW.
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What is the Esquire building, if I may ask?


building on the left side; it was also in the HDRC agenda for finishing exterior work. Should be opening soon.

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We need to organize to fight for this. I want this downtown. Most of us do. Is it an open meeting tomorrow? BTW, thanks SKW.
1901 S. Alamo.
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I think this could be the first battle Sprawl Happens takes on!?
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What time are these meetings? I actually don't think I would make it, I just remembered I have a lot of things to do, but maybe if some of you guys could go. Man, I'm really fired up about this, curse my busy schedule!
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Some one remind me, before the Courtyard began construction, wasn't there a one or two story building?
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It was about two stories, yes, three tops, why?
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It was the old St. Marys School, and they tore it down. So yeah...

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I agree, just because there is a one-story building next to it shouldn't make a difference. There's no logic in that whose to say someone can't buy that building at some other point and develop it into a nice sized hotel/condo/office etc.
While I essentially understand their reasoning, we're not talking about a skyscraper proposed on a site next to a suburban shopping mall. That area still has enough low-rise and mid-rise structures that one 24-story isn't going to create a sun-blocking wall, but enough high-rise structures that it won't stick out as some Williams Tower-esque freak of nature. They would probably respond that allowing this building means they have to allow the next guy to build a highrise too, and that they're just trying to maintain SA's unique "variety" of building heights and styles... to which I'd respond that a CBD composed almost entirely of 15-25 story hotels and office-to-hotel conversions is unique enough among American cities.

Honestly, if all this bureaucracy is really necessary, the city would be much better served imo by giving HDRC's role to a body that had the power to influence building use to create a varied downtown population, rather than a body that just influences design, which has seemingly abused its power by focusing on rather petty and inconsequential aspects, to the detriment of the downtown streetscape and skyline as a whole. It would be one thing if SA were this bucolic, idealized wonderland filled to every nook and cranny with world-class architecture and historical delights, such that it was the envy of every other city on the planet. That would be worth getting petty about, but even the most unobjective SA booster would have to deny that's the case.
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While you have a point there OMS, I just don't see the need to shoot this down. Why don't they let this pass through. I mean, it really won't stick out as much as they say it is going to and we all know that. They can use the whole block-is-short card, but you can't just ignore the fact the taller Drury is across the street.
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