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This is my favorite alternative. I might even prefer it to the Portzamparc plan, perhaps because, even though the rendering provided may be a rough draft of sorts, the buildings are a little odd and out-of-place-looking.
Just imagine the Portzamparc buildings arranged in that formation.

I understand your thinking. But what I don't like about that plan is that it's basically an alternative, or "outside' plan - meaning they have no connection to the development whatsover. I don't like the idea that these outside groups think they can just come in and throw whatever they think is "livable" on the table, regardless of whatever the plan looks like. We see it happen all the time, whether it be Atlantic Yards, the Con Ed site, or even the Hudson Yards, these groups always come out with the "livable" alternative. If this were a bidding war for the site, that would be fine.

This site plan is different, for sure.





But judging from the rest of Riverside South, people aren't always thrilled when towers are made to fit in. How interesting are the buildings being completed there now? I think that's one of the reasons Extell is trying for something a little different. It's still a work in progress, but I think if done right, it could be another unique slice of the west side, like Lincoln Center.
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I think that these buildings go well with the other Trump Building and create a great skyline from New Jersey and Central Park. I hope it gets started!
     
     
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West Siders Will Walk on Water at Revised Riverside Center



Thursday, March 18, 2010, by Joey

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Extell was back in front of an Upper West Side community board yesterday to unveil revised plans for Riverside Center, the five-tower megaproject that the developer hopes to build on a parking lot that stretches from 59th Street to 61st Street and West End Avenue to the West Side Highway. How controversial is Riverside Center? Despite having French starchitect Christian de Portzamparc on board to design the thing, worried locals started drafting their own designs for what Extell should do with the land. Er, no thanks, but the developer did decide to downsize!

The details of the cuts, and what remains of the bells and whistles. >>
The Westside Independent was on the scene for the reveal, taking notes and snapping away. The three towers closest to the river have all been reduced in size, two of them by a bunch. The pair of towers closer to West End Avenue have gotten bigger, but not by much (full breakdown above). There's also more space between the towers, and the plan to include big-box retail has been dropped after that hissy fit about Costco.

The plan is expected to enter the public land-use review process next month, and woo boy, there are going to be some heated words. Already complaints about affordable housing and environmental impact (including exhaust from the auto dealership) are surfacing, but the most damning critiques could be those coming from people who say the whole thing reeks of Battery Park City. Extell showed some revised renderings that can be seen in the gallery above. Anybody feeling those BPC vibes?

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Extell Unveils New (Improved?) Riverside Center


Community Board member examines Extell's model. But where are all of the tiny people?

by Avi - March 18, 2010

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Extell modified its original design to change the heights of buildings and space them out more, and it is getting rid of its proposal to include a Costco or other big-box retailer.

...One thing (among many) it wouldn’t contain that was originally proposed: a Costco. The community balked at a big box store on the site, so it was taken out.

The proposal has already inspired a lot of controversy, both because of its sheer size and its design, which some originally likened to Battery Park City. Community Board 7 and other watchdog groups like the Coalition for a Livable West Side have raised numerous concerns with the proposal, and groups have proposed alternative plans for the site. One architect hired by the coalition even compared sections of the old plan to a housing project. Neighbors have also voiced concerns about the towers casting long shadows.

...Three of the buildings — the ones closest to the river — were shrunk, two of them by about 30%. The two buildings in back, meanwhile, gained some height.
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It looks like they want to increase the height? am i right?
     
     
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It looks like they want to increase the height? am i right?
It looks like 4 buildings decreased in height and 2 increased. Closer to the Hudson went shorter.
     
     
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What a rarity, buildings increasing in height.
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It looks like 4 buildings decreased in height and 2 increased. Closer to the Hudson went shorter.
That's about right, though it was really more of a decrease than increase. The buildings that were increased (2) weren't increased by as much. The buildings that were decreased (3) were decreased more. The largest decrease was building 1 which went from 617 ft to 487 ft. The biggest increase was building 5, which went from 474 ft to 535 ft.
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Extell eyes Oman loan for Riverside Center

By LOIS WEISS
March 24, 2010

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Gary Barnett of Extell Development is getting a loan from an Oman company for Riverside Center by the West Side Highway.

To get the funds, Barnett and his partners from Washington-based Carlyle Group rearranged the current loan on the vacant land south of Trump Place, dubbed Riverside Center. Barnett is seeking rezoning for the spot, and is shopping a new five-building master plan.

"We're doing a refinancing and happy that we're able to get a refinancing done on the property," Barnett said. According to the documents, the mortgage with Cigna and ING will now permit a mezzanine loan from "Orange Sands LLC, an Oman limited liability company." Barnett would not disclose if the Oman investors are private or government-related.

For Riverside Center, there is also an "option agreement" between a Delaware corporation and the various Extell entities.

"There's a possibility we will take a minority partner," Barnett said, declining to identify the company. "There is nothing done on that. It's difficult times, and we are always happy to have good partners."

Starchitect Christian de Portzamparc, who designed the LVMH building on Fifth Avenue and 57th Street, is designing Riverside Center.
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Too bad about the lack of the MTA M-N station included in the project. A real testament to the MTA's failure at being a competent, proactive TA when it comes to planning for the future. God knows something this stupid wouldn;t happen in a place like London or Paris.
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God knows something this stupid wouldn;t happen in a place like London or Paris.
Probably not. But the MTA has other priorities, and there are bigger missed uppurtunites elsewhere. The City is currently building a 7 line extension to 34h Street with no other stops on the west side. The MTA couldn't be bothered with it, but they are building the second ave subway. They are completing the LIRR connection into Grand Central though, which is something more significant than a Metro North station on the west side. When you consider that there may also be a new MN station on west 125th Street, its not as if the upper west side residents won't have options. Still, it would have been more convenient for the neighborhood residents to have their own Metro North station. Maybe Co-op City in the Bronx will get their long awaited station too.
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Nice hat?

And 8-10 to completion is ridiculous. Whats takes 8-10 years?
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And 8-10 to completion is ridiculous. Whats takes 8-10 years?
Everything won't get built at one time.
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LOL. I love how these developments are never small enough for these people. Keep reducing the size, and they just keep complaining. It never ends.
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Extell’s West Side Plan for 2,500 Apartments Headed to Hot Seat

By Eliot Brown
May 21, 2010

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The fight over Trump City is about to have a reprise.

Extell Development's planned 2,500-apartment development on the westernmost portion of the Upper West Side is slated to start the city's seven-month rezoning process Monday. This sets into motion debate over the future of the last parcel of the larger Riverside South development, a giant array of apartment buildings along the West Side Highway first planned and developed by Donald Trump in the 1980s. Extell has named this parcel Riverside Center.

The proposed development, which calls for a set of residential towers surrounding public open space, has been hotly debated by the surrounding community for more than three years, since Extell began working to change the zoning (which was designed for a world headquarters for NBC). The development firm spent an extremely long period with its rezoning application pending with the Department of City Planning, as it went through the arduous environmental review process.

Now, the approval is given a distinct timeline, and it needs O.K.'s from the City Planning Commission and the City Council.

"This is a great first step for us," said George Arzt, a spokesman for Extell, "and we're thankful to City Planning."

First stop for Extell is Community Board 7, which has about two months to give a non-binding recommendation on the project. Many on the board, along with many West Side activists, have criticized the project for its bulk and the request for additional density beyond a framework agreed upon in the 1990s. Extell has said it is open to negotiation and has offered some carrots already, such as a new school.
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Barnett on Riverside Center: ‘There’s Only So Much We Can Give Up’



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June 4, 2010

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Extell Development presented on Thursday night its plan for the massive, mixed-use development Riverside Center on the Upper West Side, opening what will likely be a contentious seven-month public review process.

Gary Barnett, CEO of Extell, said that financing had not been secured for the 3 million-square-foot proposal, which would span 59th Street to 61st Street between West End Avenue and the West Side Highway. Mr. Barnett repeatedly cited the economic downturn as a damper for Extell's expected profits from the development, and was resistant in the face of opposition from local residents.

"Putting too much burden on the project will cause nothing to move forward," he said, referring to the community's numerous desired changes that he said would damage the project's economic viability.

"There's only so much we can give up," said Mr. Barnett. "The construction costs are extraordinarily high because of infrastructure."

For instance, local residents oppose the opening of an automobile dealership, which Extell contends is one of the crucial profitable parts of the development, which will cost millions to build. Extell representatives said there has been strong interest from carmakers to lease the showcase space.

The company has not received commitments from retail tenants, but said that it is seeking local businesses that provide basic amenities to residents, such as clothing and food stores. Extell originally had interest from Costco to run a big box retail store, but locals were against a large store and the idea was scrapped.

Residents also oppose the 1,800 parking spaces that are planned as part of the development and want an outdoor play area for students of the school that will be built as part of the project; currently there are two rooftop terraces planned for play areas.

In addition to financial concerns, Extell needs a number of modifications to the 1992 agreement for the development, which was originally conceived as a site for a large office tower with television studios. These include transit permits for the garage space and zoning changes for the automobile showroom.

Securing these approvals will likely be a process of give and take, and Extell might have to give in to some local demands. Mel Wymore, chair of Community Board 7, which covers the Upper West Side, is pushing for 20 percent affordable housing throughout the project, an increase of the 12 percent in the 1992 agreement. Currently Extell is obliged to have approximately 264 of the planned 2,200 total apartment units as affordable units, but is allowed to convert them to market rate after 20 years.

Community Board 7 also wants a school large enough to accommodate six classes of kindergarten through 8th grade students, in order to ease the overcrowded local school district. The board also wants a sustainable, environmentally-friendly project.

"These same issues will be concerns for us," said Jesse Bodine, director of constituent services for Councilwoman Gale Brewer, who will vote with the City Council in the fall and ultimately approve, reject or modify the project.

Community Board 7 will issue an advisory recommendation for the project by the first week of August. Manhattan Borough President Scott Stringer's office will also issue an opinion before the City Council votes.

The board will hold at least two more meetings during the next four weeks before issuing an opinion.
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