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Old Posted Dec 23, 2019, 8:47 AM
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NY Metro
Manhattan south of 96th st
NW Brooklyn
NJ wealth belt (Montclair to Martinsville to Long Valley)
North Bergen
NE Monmouth County
Greater Princeton
Central Westchester to Ridgefield to Westport
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Old Posted Dec 23, 2019, 11:45 AM
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Yay my county is #12.

I'm actually surprised we beat out Bergan County. That place makes me salivate, especially the towns of Saddle River and Edgewater. Fun fact about Edgewater, it is an extreme example of wealth divide in the same town/city. NJ is good at that, wealth divide. There are some towns or cities, and I'm not making this up, where one can see millionaires, and than in the distance of a block or two, be in the hood.
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Old Posted Dec 23, 2019, 2:01 PM
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Here's a fascinating list by cities proper...

2018 50 Largest US Cities by Average Household Income, Top 5%:
$808,105 San Francisco, CA
$663,082 Atlanta, GA
$609,166 Seattle, WA
$595,669 Washington, DC
$575,446 San Jose, CA
$568,281 New York, NY
$553,402 Oakland, CA
$533,316 Boston, MA
$515,711 Los Angeles, CA
$494,306 Dallas, TX
$486,480 Austin, TX
$479,737 Denver, CO
$479,344 Charlotte, NC
$477,994 San Diego, CA
$476,882 Chicago, IL
$463,803 Tampa, FL
$452,152 Minneapolis, MN
$439,131 Miami, FL
$436,124 Portland, OR
$434,652 Houston, TX
$431,675 Las Vegas, NV
$429,329 Raleigh, NC
$412,518 Virginia Beach, VA
$411,500 Omaha, NE
$409,738 Nashville, TN
$387,864 Tulsa, OK
$386,149 Jacksonville, FL
$373,367 Fort Worth, TX
$371,468 Baltimore, MD
$364,352 New Orleans, LA
$362,625 Oklahoma City, OK
$351,003 Phoenix, AZ
$348,145 Philadelphia, PA
$346,256 Louisville, KY
$345,063 Long Beach, CA
$344,712 Colorado Springs, CO
$321,765 Albuquerque, NM
$321,465 Kansas City, MO
$315,340 Indianapolis, IN
$311,398 Mesa, AZ
$307,162 Memphis, TN
$300,272 El Paso, TX
$298,450 San Antonio, TX
$285,035 Fresno, CA
$282,782 Arlington, TX
$268,811 Columbus, OH
$254,336 Milwaukee, WI
$246,862 Tucson, AZ
$199,192 Detroit, MI

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Old Posted Dec 23, 2019, 2:27 PM
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The wealth in South Florida is always east (near the water). For Miami, the wealth of actual residents tends to be South but still east, nearer the water, generally east of US-1, mostly in inner ring suburbs. The true "wealth" is on the beaches but few are locals, most are part time residents/parked wealth/2nd homes.
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The OP doesnt say anything about HNWIs, that's a different topic from "the most affluent areas located in your metro area".
I don't think it's different. "The most affluent areas" would probably be interpreted by most as "where the rich live" not "where the highest proportion of middle class two earner professionals live".

For example, Arlington County may be the "richest" county in the U.S. by the median two earner standard, but no one would rank Arlington with DC, Montgomery and Fairfax when it comes to concentrations of DC-area high-end wealth. It's just a tiny county with a ton of govt. lawyers, consultants and govt. workers, mostly earning very solid, but not atypical incomes, and who may or may not have household wealth.
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I don't think it's different. "The most affluent areas" would probably be interpreted by most as "where the rich live" not "where the highest proportion of middle class two earner professionals live".

For example, Arlington County may be the "richest" county in the U.S. by the median two earner standard, but no one would rank Arlington with DC, Montgomery and Fairfax when it comes to concentrations of DC-area high-end wealth. It's just a tiny county with a ton of govt. lawyers, consultants and govt. workers, mostly earning very solid, but not atypical incomes, and who may or may not have household wealth.
I dont really disagree with what you say.
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Here is list I made several months ago using 2017 5-year data

California Cities by Average Family Income($200,000+)
City....Average Family Income...County
Atherton, CA $502,632 San Mateo
Belvedere, CA $458,072 Marin
Woodside, CA $455,246 San Mateo
Portola Valley, CA $417,711 San Mateo
Los Altos Hills, CA $416,879 Santa Clara
Monte Sereno, CA $416,658 Santa Clara
Lake Sherwood, CA $410,597 Ventura
Hidden Hills, CA $405,117 Los Angeles
Hillsborough, CA $396,100 San Mateo
Rolling Hills, CA $387,209 Los Angeles

Ladera, CA $372,456 San Mateo
Kentfield, CA $352,771 Marin
Ross, CA $352,440 Marin
Bodega Bay, CA $345,509 Sonoma
Tiburon, CA $335,801 Marin
Nicasio, CA $327,694 Marin
Montecito, CA $320,185 Santa Barbara
Orinda, CA $313,452 Contra Costa
Malibu, CA $311,858 Los Angeles
Los Altos, CA $310,630 Santa Clara

Piedmont, CA $304,749 Alameda
West Menlo Park, CA $301,523 San Mateo
Loyola, CA $301,438 Santa Clara
Mill Valley, CA $298,535 Marin
Tomales, CA $296,766 Marin
Bell Canyon, CA $ 292,505 Ventura
Emerald Lake Hills, CA $289,270 San Mateo
North Gate, CA $288,984 Contra Costa
Del Mar, CA $280,471 San Diego
Manhattan Beach, CA $280,015 Los Angeles

Alamo, CA $279,950 Contra Costa
Norris Canyon, CA $279,335 Contra Costa
Stanford, CA $269,482 Santa Clara
La Cañada Flintridge, CA $268,131 Los Angeles
Tamalpais-Homestead Valley, CA $266,740 Marin
Sleepy Hollow, CA $263,751 Marin
Menlo Park, CA $262,023 San Mateo
Blackhawk, CA $258,097 Contra Costa
Saratoga, CA $257,298 Santa Clara
Lafayette, CA $255,693 Contra Costa

Beverly Hills, CA $254,457 Los Angeles
Palos Verdes Estates, CA $253,500 Los Angeles
Newport Beach, CA $253,019 Orange
Silverado, CA $252,403 Napa
Hermosa Beach, CA $250,773 Los Angeles
Reliez Valley, CA $249,947 Contra Costa
San Miguel, CA $249,550 Contra Costa
Toro Canyon, CA $247,969 Santa Barbara
Highlands-Baywood Park, CA $247,579 San Mateo
Palo Alto, CA $247,079 Santa Clara

San Marino, CA $245,971 Los Angeles
Santa Rosa Valley, CA $239,576 Ventura
Sausalito, CA $238,142 Marin
Indian Wells, CA $237,289 Riverside
San Carlos, CA $235,442 San Mateo
Laguna Beach, CA $235,297 Orange
Coto de Caza, CA $234,990 Orange
Moraga, CA $228,418 Contra Costa
Camino Tassajara, CA $227,742 Contra Costa
Los Gatos, CA $224,782 Santa Clara

Shell Ridge, CA $224,150 Contra Costa
Danville, CA $224,676 Contra Costa
Sunol, CA $219,456 Alameda
Occidental, CA $219,239 Sonoma
Larkspur, CA $216,520 Marin
Burlingame, CA $216,361 San Mateo
Rolling Hills Estates, CA $213,412 Los Angeles
Kensington, CA $211,284 Contra Costa
Belmont, CA $210,487 San Mateo
Ladera Ranch, CA $210,326 Orange

Corte Madera, CA $210,293 San Mateo
Bradbury, CA $209,262 Los Angeles
El Granada, CA $209,208 San Mateo
Pajaro Dunes, CA $208,528 Sonoma
Cupertino, CA $207,407 Santa Clara
Strawberry, CA $203,191 Marin
Rancho Santa Fe, CA $203,042 San Diego
Calabasas, CA $202,983 Los Angeles
Westlake Village, CA $202,581 Los Angeles
Lexington Hills, CA $200,590 Santa Clara
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Old Posted Dec 23, 2019, 7:56 PM
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For this year's 2018 5-year release, I have this so far...

California Cities by 2018 Average Family Income(Metro Area):
($300,000+)
$566,168 Atherton, CA(San Francisco)
$471,470 Belvedere, CA(San Francisco)
$460,086 Woodside, CA(San Francisco)
$458,652 Rolling Hills, CA(Los Angeles)
$451,854 Hillsborough, CA(San Francisco)
$441,182 Los Altos Hills, CA(San Jose)
$440,740 Monte Sereno, CA(San Jose)
$432,414 Hidden Hills, CA(Los Angeles)
$408,732 Lake Sherwood, CA(Oxnard)
$394,395 Ross, CA(San Francisco)
$366,063 Ladera, CA(San Francisco)
$365,532 Bodega Bay, CA(Santa Rosa)
$359,614 Kentfield, CA(San Francisco)
$348,828 Portola Valley, CA(San Francisco)
$347,444 Norris Canyon, CA(San Francisco)
$336,477 Orinda, CA(San Francisco)
$335,926 Emerald Lake Hills, CA(San Francisco)
$335,281 Los Altos, CA(San Jose)
$331,465 North Gate, CA(San Francisco)
$330,437 Tiburon, CA(San Francisco)
$329,850 Loyola, CA(San Jose)
$324,908 Nicasio, CA(San Francisco)
$324,510 Piedmont, CA(San Francisco)
$318,350 Montecito, CA(Santa Barbara)
$315,742 Mill Valley, CA(San Francisco)
$310,588 Malibu, CA(Los Angeles)
$308,526 Alamo, CA(San Francisco)
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When I hear the word "wealth", I don't think of income. I think of net worth. Lots of people with high net worths don't have unusually high incomes.
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Here's a fascinating list by cities proper...

2018 50 Largest US Cities by Average Household Income, Top 5%:
$808,105 San Francisco, CA
$663,082 Atlanta, GA
$609,166 Seattle, WA
$595,669 Washington, DC
$575,446 San Jose, CA
$568,281 New York, NY
$553,402 Oakland, CA
$533,316 Boston, MA
$515,711 Los Angeles, CA
$494,306 Dallas, TX
$486,480 Austin, TX
$479,737 Denver, CO
$479,344 Charlotte, NC
$477,994 San Diego, CA
$476,882 Chicago, IL
$463,803 Tampa, FL
$452,152 Minneapolis, MN
$439,131 Miami, FL
$436,124 Portland, OR
$434,652 Houston, TX
$431,675 Las Vegas, NV
$429,329 Raleigh, NC
$412,518 Virginia Beach, VA
$411,500 Omaha, NE
$409,738 Nashville, TN
$387,864 Tulsa, OK
$386,149 Jacksonville, FL
$373,367 Fort Worth, TX
$371,468 Baltimore, MD
$364,352 New Orleans, LA
$362,625 Oklahoma City, OK
$351,003 Phoenix, AZ
$348,145 Philadelphia, PA
$346,256 Louisville, KY
$345,063 Long Beach, CA
$344,712 Colorado Springs, CO
$321,765 Albuquerque, NM
$321,465 Kansas City, MO
$315,340 Indianapolis, IN
$311,398 Mesa, AZ
$307,162 Memphis, TN
$300,272 El Paso, TX
$298,450 San Antonio, TX
$285,035 Fresno, CA
$282,782 Arlington, TX
$268,811 Columbus, OH
$254,336 Milwaukee, WI
$246,862 Tucson, AZ
$199,192 Detroit, MI

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Do you have this list for median income? Average income can be a bit misleading.
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Old Posted Dec 23, 2019, 8:44 PM
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You live in Houston? And you believe the wealth is "mostly in the suburbs", or in Ft. Bend County???

Try River Oaks, Memorial, West U, Uptown / Galleria, Piney Point, etc. (none of which are "suburbs")
I said start in the suburbs, of course I know about places like River Oaks.
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Philadelphia has 5 main pockets of wealth within its metro:

1. Center City, but specifically Rittenhouse Square and Society Hill but also Fitler Square, Wash Square, and Logan Square. Obviously, very urban.

The next two are inner-rung suburbs, mostly older with a mix of enormous estates and small towns.

2. The storied Main Line suburbs starting at the NW city line and radiating west along Rt. 30 and the Paoli train line. Bala, Gladywn, Ardmore, Brywn Mawr, Haverford, Radnor, Villanova, Berwyn, Devon, Malvern. I'd also throw Newtown Square into that mix.

3. Germantown/Stenton Corridor. What? Starting from Chestnut and W. Mount Airy (within city limits) and including parts of Flourtown, Fort Washington (Sheaff Lane), Whitemarsh (Andorra Road, Harts Lane), and Blue Bell (Ryan Howard lived here).

The last two are on the periphery of the metro area and have that wealthy rural feel to them - you know, rolling hills, winding country lanes, picket fences, gentleman's farms, etc.

4. Chester County "Horse Country" centered around Kennett Square, Chadds Ford, Popsocon (remember Bam Magera's house?!), and Longwood.

5. Bucks County along the Delaware, North of Newtown (wealthy in its own right but mostly overrun with McMansions), including Wrightstown, Buckingham, New Hope/Solebury, and Lahaska (Peddler's Village).

Also, I would not consider Greater Princeton to be a wealthy NYC suburb. It's really its own thing.
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NY Metro
Manhattan south of 96th st
NW Brooklyn
NJ wealth belt (Montclair to Martinsville to Long Valley)
North Bergen
NE Monmouth County
Greater Princeton
Central Westchester to Ridgefield to Westport
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The Northeast quarter of the Metro which is the immediate neighborhoods North/Northeast of downtown, Scottsdale, Paradise Valley etc.

Paradise Valley is a city of 14,000 people the average home is 1.4 million + and the average household income is 176k when the overall state average is more like 60k with average homes right about 200k

Furthermore the suburbs of Scottsdale, Arcadia, North Phoenix etc are all quite wealthy as well, but Paradise valley is the wealthiest concentration. Far north Scottsdale and Paradise Valley is where you find the palacial style residences of the super-wealthy



North Scottsdale is more of the "lost in nature" sort of living, and of course tons of golf. People willing to live pretty far out of town for privacy and views



The areas surrounding it are a bit more modest but still contain homes in the 800's-a couple million





And for reference this would by your average 200-300k home in the Phoenix Metro area.

This is basically the ubiquitous look in most of the region.

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Do you have this list for median income? Average income can be a bit misleading.
The issue with median is that the census bureau doesnt divulge numbers over $249,999--if a figure is above that it just says $250,000+
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I don't think the super-duper, out of rich sight are completely segregated from the "normal" (say top 2%) rich in Toronto. They live in the same neighborhoods. Maybe in New York and London it's different.

It's also find to find much good census data on them anyway - I can't find specific figures on the number of bank presidents, hedge fund managers, heirs of billionaire families etc.
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The intention of this thread isn't so much "where the billionaires" are - but how the affluent are geographically distributed across metro areas.
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2018 Counties by Average Household Income, Top 5%:
$968,150 New York, NY
$842,174 Fairfield, CT
$825,315 Westchester, NY
$810,917 San Mateo, CA
$808,105 San Francisco, CA
$775,060 Monroe, FL
$771,583 Marin, CA
$756,623 Santa Clara, CA
$745,016 Morris, NJ
$692,491 Norfolk, MA
$663,168 Collier, FL
$659,015 Montgomery, MD
$654,087 Loudoun, VA
$642,152 Arlington, VA
$638,589 Fulton, GA
$637,423 Fairfax, VA
$634,478 Somerset, NJ
$634,524 Nassau, NY
$612,703 Bergen, NJ
$597,770 Monmouth, NJ
$595,669 Washington, DC
$589,052 Williamson, TN
$588,146 Essex, NJ
$586,116 Contra Costa, CA
$582,709 Middlesex, MA
$581,167 Union, NJ
$580,864 Ablemarle, VA
$577,482 Montgomery, PA
$575,470 Lake, IL
$571,612 King, WA
$559,975 Indian River, FL
$555,875 Orange, CA
$549,166 Mercer, NJ
$547,072 James, VA
$546,564 Palm Beach, FL
$544,942 Midland, TX
$544,843 Santa Barbara, CA
$544,057 Du Page, IL
$541,741 Douglas, CO
$541,720 Chester, PA
$540,912 Martin, FL
$539,983 Alameda, CA
$539,025 Alexandria, VA
$535,557 Hennepin, MN
$529,121 Hunterdon, NJ
$527,766 Travis, TX
$524,286 Montgomery, TX
$521,876 Waukesha, WI
$521,483 Ozaukee, WI
$515,977 Essex, MA
$512,430 Suffolk, NY
$509,559 Fayette, GA
$507,193 Suffolk, MA
$505,937 St Johns, FL
$501,909 Howard, MD
$500,084 Cape May, NJ
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Rosedale is wealthier overall than Forest Hill (Forest Hill is also very Jewish), but both Rosedale and Forest Hill have their super-duper wealthy subsections.

Average income for dissemination Areas (subdivisions within Census Tracts):

DA 202933 (Dunvegan and Frybrook, Forest Hill) $1,013,494
DA 200747 (Roxborough Dr., Binscarth Rd., Rosedale) $956,577
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Houston: River Oaks, West University, Tanglewood, Memorial, Bellaire

Yeah, but Bellaire is soooooo nouveau! Don't forget the swank in Sweetwater (Sugar Land).
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Philadelphia has 5 main pockets of wealth within its metro:

1. Center City, but specifically Rittenhouse Square and Society Hill but also Fitler Square, Wash Square, and Logan Square. Obviously, very urban.

The next two are inner-rung suburbs, mostly older with a mix of enormous estates and small towns.

2. The storied Main Line suburbs starting at the NW city line and radiating west along Rt. 30 and the Paoli train line. Bala, Gladywn, Ardmore, Brywn Mawr, Haverford, Radnor, Villanova, Berwyn, Devon, Malvern. I'd also throw Newtown Square into that mix.

3. Germantown/Stenton Corridor. What? Starting from Chestnut and W. Mount Airy (within city limits) and including parts of Flourtown, Fort Washington (Sheaff Lane), Whitemarsh (Andorra Road, Harts Lane), and Blue Bell (Ryan Howard lived here).

The last two are on the periphery of the metro area and have that wealthy rural feel to them - you know, rolling hills, winding country lanes, picket fences, gentleman's farms, etc.

4. Chester County "Horse Country" centered around Kennett Square, Chadds Ford, Popsocon (remember Bam Magera's house?!), and Longwood.

5. Bucks County along the Delaware, North of Newtown (wealthy in its own right but mostly overrun with McMansions), including Wrightstown, Buckingham, New Hope/Solebury, and Lahaska (Peddler's Village).

Also, I would not consider Greater Princeton to be a wealthy NYC suburb. It's really its own thing.
There’s that little bubble in NJ from Haddonfield to Moorestown. For Bucks County you can pretty much include all of Central Bucks.

Princeton is certainly with NY. It’s got its own mojo to an extent, much like Ann Arbor or Boulder but I wouldn’t separate them either from their respective metros. I am familiar with quite a few people around there and nearly all of them worked between there and up to and including NYC. It’s farther out, but much closer than the Hamptons.
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