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Old Posted Dec 6, 2019, 8:10 PM
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I had the day off. I decided to spend an obnoxious amount of time walking downtown to follow up on some projects that I am interested in.

McGregor Square



The Fitzgerald (18th and Market)



X Denver



The Pullman



HUB 2



3299 Brighton Blvd.



Market Station



10th and Acoma (Ground is very broken)



Cottrell Building is gone

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Old Posted Dec 7, 2019, 4:59 AM
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I had the day off. I decided to spend an obnoxious amount of time walking downtown to follow up on some projects that I am interested in.
I know you did it for the exercise and not our enjoyment, but thank you. Nicely done!
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Old Posted Dec 8, 2019, 3:17 PM
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What is replacing the Cottrell Building?
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Old Posted Dec 8, 2019, 9:26 PM
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What is replacing the Cottrell Building?
Don't know what is coming in it's place.Here's an article.

Source: Businessden

https://businessden.com/2019/04/08/g...t-mall-closes/
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Old Posted Dec 8, 2019, 11:23 PM
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Don't know what is coming in it's place.Here's an article.

Source: Businessden

https://businessden.com/2019/04/08/g...t-mall-closes/
It's along the mall so I wouldn't expect anything too tall. I'd like to see more residential, apartments or condos.
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Old Posted Dec 9, 2019, 1:02 AM
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Their website says 315,000 square feet mixed use. With FAR, that would be 20 stories. It would be nice to see a 20-story residential building with ground floor retail if that is what they decide on
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Old Posted Dec 9, 2019, 4:58 AM
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https://denverite.com/2019/12/02/gaz...nt-renderings/

Nice outline of some new development (most of which has been discussed here previously).
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Old Posted Dec 9, 2019, 7:11 AM
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Nice photo update! That brick work on Market station is great.

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It's along the mall so I wouldn't expect anything too tall. I'd like to see more residential, apartments or condos.

What is the logic behind the hight limitation on the mall?
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Old Posted Dec 9, 2019, 3:15 PM
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It's along the mall so I wouldn't expect anything too tall. I'd like to see more residential, apartments or condos.
Might be wrong but I thought the sunlight ordinance or whatever governs shadows on 16th Street primarily affects the south side of 16th, not really the north side. pretty sure they can max out their FAR on height. Seems like a tough spot for residential though. Given it's a Makovsky property, I suspect it will be vacant for quite awhile while they search for a ground lease developer, which is tougher than outright sale but seems to be their marching orders recently.
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Old Posted Dec 9, 2019, 3:22 PM
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Might be wrong but I thought the sunlight ordinance or whatever governs shadows on 16th Street primarily affects the south side of 16th, not really the north side. pretty sure they can max out their FAR on height. Seems like a tough spot for residential though. Given it's a Makovsky property, I suspect it will be vacant for quite awhile while they search for a ground lease developer, which is tougher than outright sale but seems to be their marching orders recently.
This is my understanding as well. No height restrictions on the north side.

I just looked it up, and in the zoning code it says that Downtown FAR is 10.0. That seems surprisingly low given that we have 65 story towers but I'm always surprised how much usable floor area is actually lost when mocking up a building for a given site - plus there are also density bonuses in there that I didn't read in detail. So for a relatively small parcel, roughly 20 stories is probably a fair guess for an FAR of 10.
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The article says the DDP is planning to plant 500 trees. That is a great start, but the time table of 3 years is kinda long.

"Downtown Denver has about 1,800 trees. That’s good for a canopy that covers just 4 percent of the area. And that’s good for last place among the 20 largest cities in the U.S., according to the Downtown Denver Partnership.

Planting and maintaining 500 trees is a major investment — about $9 million — that will fill gaps in the sparse canopy but only to an extent. Bernstein said raising the shade cover to 10 percent would demand 2,500 more trees."

https://denverite.com/2019/12/08/den...ny-more-trees/

Isn't there some type of requirement for developers to plant trees along their developments? Growing a canopy is a big task for one organization, but seems pretty manageable if divided up.
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Old Posted Dec 9, 2019, 5:29 PM
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The article says the DDP is planning to plant 500 trees. That is a great start, but the time table of 3 years is kinda long.

"Downtown Denver has about 1,800 trees. That’s good for a canopy that covers just 4 percent of the area. And that’s good for last place among the 20 largest cities in the U.S., according to the Downtown Denver Partnership.

Planting and maintaining 500 trees is a major investment — about $9 million — that will fill gaps in the sparse canopy but only to an extent. Bernstein said raising the shade cover to 10 percent would demand 2,500 more trees."

https://denverite.com/2019/12/08/den...ny-more-trees/

Isn't there some type of requirement for developers to plant trees along their developments? Growing a canopy is a big task for one organization, but seems pretty manageable if divided up.
We can plant all we want, but actually making trees grow along most of the downtown streets can be quite the challenge for urban foresters, I'm sure. The mall worked because they put some serious infrastructure in to support the trees. But elsewhere, it seems they often quickly die.

I take it that in the downtown environment with the urban heat island you need A LOT of water to sustain the trees, not to mention accounting for the impacts of pollution/car exhaust.
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Old Posted Dec 9, 2019, 5:47 PM
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Nice hotel proposal in the works for LoHi:
https://businessden.com/2019/12/05/s...block-in-lohi/
Nice enough design, but requires teardown of the last 2 historic structures remaining on Central. In typical Denver tradition it'll probably happen, but I happen to think they add some variety to the street and I wish the developer could incorporate the houses.

In related commentary, the Edge Lohi building next door is turning out to be a disappointment. My main gripe is the ground level retail spaces - they look uninviting and awkwardly fragmented. And I'm not just saying this because it's a new building; the building with Metropolis has nice patios and setbacks making for a much better pedestrian experience.
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Old Posted Dec 9, 2019, 6:01 PM
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Might be wrong but I thought the sunlight ordinance or whatever governs shadows on 16th Street primarily affects the south side of 16th, not really the north side. pretty sure they can max out their FAR on height. Seems like a tough spot for residential though. Given it's a Makovsky property, I suspect it will be vacant for quite awhile while they search for a ground lease developer, which is tougher than outright sale but seems to be their marching orders recently.
Harbinger Devlopment, of 650 17th Street fame, claimed at one point to have control of the 16th Street site and Makovsky did mention that there was an option agreement in place back in October. Hopefully this rumor has some traction and we see a proposal pop up next year.
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Old Posted Dec 9, 2019, 6:08 PM
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Nice enough design, but requires teardown of the last 2 historic structures remaining on Central. In typical Denver tradition it'll probably happen, but I happen to think they add some variety to the street and I wish the developer could incorporate the houses.
I thought only one of those structures is historical while the other is 90's era faux historical? Regardless, as long as the trees are preserved in the median I'm fine with these two structures being razed.
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Nice enough design, but requires teardown of the last 2 historic structures remaining on Central. In typical Denver tradition it'll probably happen, but I happen to think they add some variety to the street and I wish the developer could incorporate the houses.
Neither is anything even approaching "historic" - the corner lot was built in 1921 https://www.denvergov.org/property/r...mary/163017641 but heavily modified, and the other is listed as built in 1998 https://www.denvergov.org/Property/r...mary/163017633
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Old Posted Dec 9, 2019, 6:38 PM
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SirLucasTheGreat... Love the photo tour.

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Harbinger Devlopment, of 650 17th Street fame, claimed at one point to have control of the 16th Street site and Makovsky did mention that there was an option agreement in place back in October. Hopefully this rumor has some traction and we see a proposal pop up next year.
Just checked and Harbinger Development no longer has this property on their site; must have been a quick check, nvm look.
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Old Posted Dec 9, 2019, 7:03 PM
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Neither is anything even approaching "historic" - the corner lot was built in 1921 https://www.denvergov.org/property/r...mary/163017641 but heavily modified, and the other is listed as built in 1998 https://www.denvergov.org/Property/r...mary/163017633

It's a couple years shy of 100 years old, I'd say that qualifies as historic. What is your cutoff?

Surprising (in a good way) that the other one was built more recently..they both reference the neighborhood's past and are a welcome contrast to the now-ubiquitous contemporary boxes going up. This rendering makes the hotel appear to be a high quality replacement, but it doesn't look all that different from other new builds and the neighborhood is starting to look rather monotonous IMO.
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Age alone doesn't qualify something as historic. That is both opinion and city ordinance. Otherwise, a 150 year old wooden shack would out-qualify any 75 year old quality-built, architecturally significant building (edited the dates to put in context with Denver history).

https://www.denvergov.org/content/de...ce_Update.html

To save you some time, here's the criteria.

Landmarks must meet at least three of these ten criteria.
1.Have direct association with a significant historic event or with the historical development of the city, state, or nation;
2.Have direct and substantial association with a recognized person or group of persons who had influence on society;
3.Embody the distinctive visible characteristics of an architectural style or type;
4.Be a significant example of the work of a recognized architect or master builder;
5.Contain elements of design, engineering, materials, craftsmanship, or artistic merit which represent a significant innovation or technical achievement;
6.Due to its prominent location or physical characteristics, represents an established and familiar feature of the neighborhood, community or contemporary city;
7.Promote understanding and appreciation of the urban environment by means of distinctive physical characteristics or rarity;
8.Represents an era of culture or heritage that allows an understanding of how the site was used by past generations;
9.Be a physical attribute of a neighborhood, community, or the city that is a source of pride or cultural understanding;
10.Associated with social movements, institutions, or patterns of growth or change that contributed significantly to the culture of the neighborhood, community, city, state, or nation.
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