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Old Posted Nov 28, 2019, 2:51 PM
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Totally Car-Free Neighborhood Planned In Arizona. Is Your State Next?

Totally Car-Free Neighborhood Planned In Arizona. Is Your State Next?


November 25, 2019

Sean Szymkowski

Read More: https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/c...zona-location/

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Following World War II, one machine ruled city planning and our way of life: the automobile. Cities were designed and built around roadways and the interstate system would change the way we drove our cars near and far. That is an archaic way of thinking, if real estate developer Culdesac may say so.

- Last Tuesday, the company announced it has broken ground on a radical new neighborhood development in Tempe, Arizona, where there isn't room for a single car. If you want to visit a friend in the neighborhood, grab your shoes or a shared bicycle, scooter or other option. Need to go further outside the neighborhood? There will be an area reserved for ride hailing and a lot for car sharing where residents can rent something. --- Culdesac Tempe will be home to 1,000 residents and promises to include restaurants, shopping centers and plenty of green space. The announcement itself boasts about opening the front door to see "leafy shared courtyards" and not city streets with vehicles zipping by.

- Without needing space for roads, Culdesac boasted that well over half of the neighborhood's land area will be filled with landscaping, courtyards and other shared spaces. Even the houses will take a new approach and ditch the idea of a "guest room." The company said there will instead be "bookable guest suites" throughout the neighborhood for when residents know friends or family is coming to visit. --- While this grand vision sounds like it's years away, that's not the case. Culdesac said this first neighborhood will open in fall 2020. Where will the car-free life spread to next? The developer said it has its eye on Denver, Dallas and Raleigh-Durham, North Carolina.

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Tempe's neighborhood should look something like this.


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Old Posted Nov 28, 2019, 5:59 PM
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Looks like a little slice of paradise. I'm fantasizing about living there already!

I would think a very substantial proportion of the development would have to be residential (which it looks like it will be) in order to feel more like a neighborhood and less like an outdoor mall. And it would help greatly for such a development to be at/near a transit station.
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How do you have shopping centers without any cars or vehicles at all? How do people who bought a lot of stuff get that stuff home? How do you unload a truckload of goods into the store without loading bays or truck access?
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^ Exactly! There's an obvious practical matter here. Independent shops and simply all businesses with no exception in towns are screwed without any street to let delivery vehicles run in the city.

To be fair, the Paris town hall sometimes found some pretty ideal solution whenever a street segment would allow it.
Just like this:

https://goo.gl/maps/pKbeqijp9fqSPD2s7

Right lane: delivery vehicles, buses, cabs and bikes.
Left lane: any other vehicle.

But this is not always possible. You need a street that's wide enough to support at least 2, or ideally 3 lanes, as is the case of that segment of the Saint-Martin street.

I picked this street because the configuration of it is quite different elsewhere. Long chunks of it are made up of a single lane, which is a pleasant experience to pedestrians, scooters and tiny stuff of this kind, but rather painful when you have to drive them by car.
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Well a condo is a car free neighbourhood that can also have up to 1000 people living in them, this one is a bit more spread out.
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Neat concept but...

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If you want to visit a friend in the neighborhood, grab your shoes or a shared bicycle, scooter or other option.
That kinda defeats the purpose of traveling to it for anything other than tourism. I hate driving to bars, for a variety of reasons- most of which are obvious- but I really hate driving to a park and ride to ride to a bar, to ride back, to drive away.

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Even the houses will take a new approach and ditch the idea of a "guest room." The company said there will instead be "bookable guest suites" throughout the neighborhood for when residents know friends or family is coming to visit.
This sounds comforting and attractive, doesn't it? Doesn't it?!
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Well a condo is a car free neighbourhood that can also have up to 1000 people living in them, this one is a bit more spread out.
Are condos typically 1,000 feet away from the nearest parking lot or street?
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Old Posted Nov 29, 2019, 2:30 PM
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They’d have to airdrop 911 services.
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Not a word about public transit. When it talks about ride hailing and car sharing, how is this any less car dependent than anywhere else? It still is all about individual vehicles, which is not so much better than the status quo other than that all these individual vehicles have to be stored in somebody else's neighbourhood. We cannot build a whole city like this.

I also don't buy that a community of just 1,000 people can support much in the way of restaurants and shopping centres, when car access is not allowed or limited. I assume those services will be on the periphery with the typical massive parking lots.
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Why was this thread started when it's already a topic of discussion on another thread?

https://forum.skyscraperpage.com/sho...d.php?t=241003
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Old Posted Nov 29, 2019, 4:43 PM
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Totally Car-Free Neighborhood Planned In Arizona. Is Your State Next?
These articles are misleading, this is just a glorified apartment/rental complex in a fairly dense area.

It is not a "Car free city" in any way, its on the light rail and the entire project is no more than a couple of acres.
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