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Old Posted Oct 20, 2005, 8:55 PM
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None of those numbers would include the 50,000 or so college students, would they?
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Old Posted Oct 20, 2005, 9:12 PM
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The West Campus numbers (26K) would be about 60-70% students (completely pulled out of thin air, but there are some non-student neighborhoods in there, and even the student areas are far from 100% students). That wouldnt include people who actually live on campus.. and about half of UT students live on Riverside or up at Far West. West/North Campus probably houses less than half of the UT students.

Back on topic: the fact is, San Antonio still has *plenty* of growth potential in highrise condos was the only point I was really trying to make, and I would be surprised if that doesnt start to happen in the next 5 years.

Edit: Damn San Antonio is alot more affordable. The median income in Austin is about 25% higher, but the average price of a home is about double. I should move, especially since my employer pays people in my position the same in San Antonio as Austin.. it would be like a massive raise...
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Old Posted Oct 20, 2005, 10:19 PM
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SA has so many old buildings converted into lofts,apts,etc.You might not see a lot of new construction but it seems everywhere you turn you see apts,lofts etc in the older exsisting buildings.The RIverwalk as well if you look above the cafes and clubs you see apts above.San Antonio still has more in the CBD than any other Texas city even if its boundaries for its downtown may be bigger.The last list I saw released in 2002 gave Dallas and Houston about 3,000 or 4,000, Austin with not much more.San Antonio had 21,000-23,000 .How much of that is in the CBD core?I would say a lot more than any other texas city.

The other Texas cities dont have a whole lot in the CBD, maybe around their downtowns.
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Here's a retail market summary for San Antonio from Texas Real Estate Business magazine:

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TEXAS SNAPSHOT, OCTOBER 2005

San Antonio Retail Market

During the past decade, San Antonio has enjoyed steady occupancy and construction in its retail market. With a new mall, high-end department stores and new retailers, the city is seeing a lot of new activity.

“2005 will stand out as one of the market's most stellar years,” says David Nicolson, president of The Weitzman Group's San Antonio office. “It is one of the most active periods of growth ever, both in the economic front and in terms of retail real estate.”

A significant development in the retail market this year has been General Growth Properties' The Shops at La Cantera, a 1.3 million-square-foot mall that opened in September. The Shops at La Cantera boasts San Antonio's first Neiman Marcus and Nordstrom department stores, as well as new Foley's and Dillard's stores. A number of luxury retailers, such as Tiffany & Co., have opened in the mall. An AMC multiplex cinema will open in 2006.

“The mall created a new retail district at I-10 and Loop 1604,” Nicolson says. “Major mall-peripheral projects are underway.” The Rim, a 1.5 million-square-foot lifestyle center, is being planned for the northeast corner of the intersection. The center will be anchored by Bass Pro Shops Outdoor World, the first in San Antonio, as well as a multiplex cinema and additional retail stores. The first phase of the project will open next year. The developer is Atlanta-based Thomas Enterprises.

Regal Hills, a 1 million-square-foot power center, is set for the southeast corner of the intersection. The project, scheduled for completion in 2007, will have a mix of power and lifestyle retailers and restaurants, as well as an entertainment component, according to Nicolson. Florida-based Turnberry Associates is the developer.

The majority of development in San Antonio is taking place at the I-10/Loop 1604 intersection, with three major projects underway. Residential growth in northwest San Antonio and The Shops at La Cantera have made the area the most active in San Antonio.

Cencor Realty Services is developing Culebra Market Phase III, located at the southeast corner of Loop 1604 and Culebra Road. This phase will include 72,000 square feet of retail, including Hobby Lobby and Chili's. The Home Depot is planning to open a store in the area.

Park North, the redevelopment project of the old Central Park Mall, has plans for more than 1 million square feet of space for department and discount stores. The project will be located at Loop 410 between Blanco Road and San Pedro Avenue.

City-Base Landing will open this fall at the intersection of Southeast Military and Goliad and will feature a Wal-Mart Supercenter and an Office Depot. H-E-B, San Antonio's Number 1 grocer, will open a 150,000-square-foot store, the largest in the area, on South Zarzamora. Westover Marketplace, slated to open its first phase this fall, will feature a 48,000-square-foot Sportsman's Warehouse at Loop 410 and SH 151. Other anchors include Target, Ross Dress For Less, PetsMart and OfficeMax. At Loop 1604 and Highway 281, a mixed-use project, Legacy, is under construction. The first phase will open this fall, with a Life Time Fitness opening in winter 2005.

Active retail developers in the area include General Growth, David Berndt Interests, Hill-Granados Retail Partners, Turnberry Associates, Cencor Realty Services and Thomas Enterprises. New retailers to the market include Neiman Marcus, Nordstrom, Tiffany & Co., Bass Pro Shops, Gander Mountain Sports, Golf Galaxy, Rooms To Go and Life Time Fitness.

“As of mid-year 2005, San Antonio's retail market reports an occupancy rate of 89 percent,” Nicolson says. “The occupancy rate should increase during 2005 and is based on a retail market inventory of approximately 32 million square feet.”

Northwest San Antonio looks to be the most active submarket, thanks to projects like The Shops at La Cantera and The Rim. Increasing residential density and a concentration of retail space has contributed to the activity.

The Highway 281 corridor north of Loop 1604 will be another active corridor, thanks to growing residential density and excellent visibility and access.

Population and job growth are supporting San Antonio's growing retail market. Approximately 15,000 new jobs were added in 2004. For 2005, job growth is expected to rise 2.5 percent. “From 1999 to 2004, San Antonio grew approximately 1.9 percent annually, reaching more than 1.7 million people in 2004,” Nicolson says.

The 2006 opening of an $800 million Toyota truck plant will add to up to 2,000 new jobs, while Washington Mutual plans to employ a minimum of 3,000 people over the next 7 years when it brings a major operations center to San Antonio. The National Security Agency is also opening its regional headquarters in San Antonio this year.

“The next few years should be some of the brightest in San Antonio's history,” Nicolson says. “Growing employment, a vibrant tourism industry and an active residential market point to continued strength in the retail market.”

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Nice article, however, the 2004 MSA population for San Antonio was 1.9 million not 1.7 million.
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Right, I haven't found the 1.7 figure anywhere....not even in outdated estimates.
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TXDOT is having a contest to name the 410/281 interchange.

You can see the story here:
http://www.woai.com/news/local/story...7-0E18BEB8AE1E

The way the story reads, it looks like they are looking for a 'nickname' (aka, mixmaster, spaghetti bowl, etc), not a formal name... which I am sure will come eventually...

I have a feeling the San Antonio creative types will settle with 'Airport Interchange' which I belive is what they already call the non-existant/stop-light interchange now.

It is nice to see how fast it is going due to the accellerate schedule. They do seem to be workign 24/7 on it. (which is like 9 to 5 in actual construction time). It seems as if they only got about 1 support column up a month at the 10/410 interchange.
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Nice article, however, the 2004 MSA population for San Antonio was 1.9 million not 1.7 million.

San Antonio MSA Population
Year Population Percent Change

1990 1,324,749 0.4
1991 1,348,596 1.8
1992 1,377,938 2.2
1993 1,406,878 2.1
1994 1,438,981 2.3
1995 1,468,690 2.1
1996 1,494,296 1.7
1997 1,519,874 1.7
1998 1,546,947 1.8
1999 1,572,570 1.7
2000 1,592,383 1.3
2001 1,622,921 1.9
2002 1,655,223 2.0
2003 1,687,223 1.9
2004 1,722,117 2.1

Source: U.S. Census Bureau

http://recenter.tamu.edu/mreports/SanAntonio12.asp

Here ya go SayTown. The above article posted by Mopacs, is citing U.S. Census Bureau figures. As you can see the population figures posted here (Census figures) are the same as those noted in the article. 1.7 million people in the S.A. MSA as of 2004.
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TXDOT is having a contest to name the 410/281 interchange.

You can see the story here:
http://www.woai.com/news/local/story...7-0E18BEB8AE1E

The way the story reads, it looks like they are looking for a 'nickname' (aka, mixmaster, spaghetti bowl, etc), not a formal name... which I am sure will come eventually...

I have a feeling the San Antonio creative types will settle with 'Airport Interchange' which I belive is what they already call the non-existant/stop-light interchange now.

It is nice to see how fast it is going due to the accellerate schedule. They do seem to be workign 24/7 on it. (which is like 9 to 5 in actual construction time). It seems as if they only got about 1 support column up a month at the 10/410 interchange.
I sent an email stating they should name it the Allegretto Interchange or Allegro Interchange, those terms are musical terms meaning fast and up-beat, seeing as how they are building it so fast.
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Nice article, however, the 2004 MSA population for San Antonio was 1.9 million not 1.7 million.

San Antonio MSA Population
Year Population Percent Change

1990 1,324,749 0.4
1991 1,348,596 1.8
1992 1,377,938 2.2
1993 1,406,878 2.1
1994 1,438,981 2.3
1995 1,468,690 2.1
1996 1,494,296 1.7
1997 1,519,874 1.7
1998 1,546,947 1.8
1999 1,572,570 1.7
2000 1,592,383 1.3
2001 1,622,921 1.9
2002 1,655,223 2.0
2003 1,687,223 1.9
2004 1,722,117 2.1

Source: U.S. Census Bureau

http://recenter.tamu.edu/mreports/SanAntonio12.asp

Here ya go SayTown. The above article posted by Mopacs, is citing U.S. Census Bureau figures. As you can see the population figures posted here (Census figures) are the same as those noted in the article. 1.7 million people in the S.A. MSA as of 2004.
Is the fact that they're not including 4 of the 8 counties that make up the San Antonio MSA have anytthing to do with those numbers.

Um.... yes.
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Thanks for using an A&M site that does not include nearly 130,000 in Bandera County, Medina county, Kendall county, and Atascosa county.


Here's a little proof, ironically from the same site you used as a source.




The weird thing though, is that further down in their "News Highlights" they list the 8 counties growth from 2003 - 2004. Yet do not have the four missing counties in the box above this paragraph.


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TXDOT is having a contest to name the 410/281 interchange.
I sent three names in. One being Mid-City Interchange.
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Old Posted Oct 26, 2005, 3:36 PM
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That is not the latest estimates of 1,854,000.Those 3 new counties are mentioned but not included making the population roughly 1.9 million.I wouldn't doubt if the metro is pass the 2 million mark already.The thing is that 1.5 million is in Bexar county and 1.3 million in the city, lots of metros that claim to be in the same size tier for example Indianpolis, has it's population distrubed more evenly over the entire metro.Indianpolis is larger square miles than San Antonio but only has 794,000 compared to San Antonio's nearly 1.3 million.Thats like moving 500,000 more people into the city limits of Indy to make it comprable to San Antonio.The same goes for other metros that rank similar to San Antonio but are actually considerably smaller.The ones that are desiganted CSA.
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Just for fun I added all the counties of Sac and SA metros.Sac has a larger metro but smaller city core.San Antonio city lmits is almost the popualtion of the entire Sacramento county and half the land area.However Sac's metro is half the size of San Antonio's new metro caculations and additions.They are simillar size the first 3-4 counties.That shows that once outside San Antonio 3 core counties the rest is low density over large scale counties.The population and growth trend is along the I-35 corridor towards Austin.

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/


2004 estimate Sacramento metro

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Sacramento=1,352,445 966 Sq miles.
Placer 307,004 1,404 sq.m
Yolo= 184,364 1013

1,843,813 [3,383 sq miles]

El Dorado 172,899 1,711

2,016,712

5,094 sq miles





San Antonio 1,256,000 408
Bexar = 1,493,965 1,247
Comal 91,806 561
Guadulupe 99,620 711
Wilson 36,726 807

1,722,391 [3,326 square miles]

New counties

Kendall 27,214 662
bandera 19,754 792
Frio 16,386 1,133
Kerr 45,675 1106

2004 1,831,146 7019 sq miles.
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San Antonio 1,256,000 408
Bexar = 1,493,965 1,247
Comal 91,806 561
Guadulupe 99,620 711
Wilson 36,726 807

1,722,391 3,326 square miles

New counties

Kendall 27,214 662
bandera 19,754 792
Frio 16,386 1,133
Kerr 45,675 1106

2004 1,831,146 7019 sq miles.
No big deal, but...Frio & Kerr counties are not in SA's metro area. Were thinking about Medina & Atascosa counties?

As of July 1, 2004, the U.S. Census Bureau estimates that the eight county metro area of S.A. has roughly 1.854 million people. From 2000-2004, SA's eight county metro has expanded by an average of 35,587 people per year. It would be safe to say the as of July 1, 2005, SA's metro area contains an estimated 1,889,637 people (or roughly 1.9 million)...
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San Antonio has seen a population boom probably more so than any other time in it's history.So it is safe to say that presently San Antonio is over 2 million people easily. You are right I forgot Medina.I'm surprised that Kerr county is not included since it is on minutes away.
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I really don't think the SA Metro. pop is “over” 2 million just yet. Even with the recent growth, that number would be pretty hard to reach... Roughly 1.9 million is probably more likely... I think SA's Metro. will hit the 2 million mark sometime between 2008 & 2009 (and that depends on the overall economy of not only SA, but Texas and the U.S. as well - meaning it could be 2007/2008 or 2009/2010 just as easily).

Bexar County (the metro's "seat") has seven counties which border it. Initially, the U.S. Census Bureau considered the SA MSA as being comprised of Bexar and the three of its bordering counties(Comal, Guadalupe & Wilson). In 2002 (I believe that's the year...), due to the growth of the SA region, the U.S. Census Bureau decided to add the remaining four bordering counties to SA's MSA (Atascosa, Bandera, Kendall & Medina).
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It's being reported that of the 20,000-25,000 evacuees San Antonio housed half are being predicted to make San Antonio their new home.
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It is strange that they don't include Kerr county.

I know a lot of people from Kerrville who work in San Antonio.

I think within the next 2-3 years the Census will add Kerrvill to the MSA.
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