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Old Posted Oct 22, 2013, 5:11 PM
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That's correct if by "pretty well every" you mean "pretty well none." Otherwise, you're making stuff up.
Read through the contracts on the MGEU, CUPE or PSAC websites. Do some research before making accusations.
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Old Posted Oct 22, 2013, 5:36 PM
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That's complete BS. You quit your job because you did wrong, would likely get fired for doing wrong and have done potential criminal actions. Yet you deserve a quarter million dollar payout?!!?
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Old Posted Oct 22, 2013, 5:51 PM
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And the Horses**t column of the year goes to Dan Lett -- wow, I thought it would go to Brodbeck, but I was wrong.

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/loc...228727901.html
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Old Posted Oct 22, 2013, 5:58 PM
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It is BS, hence my departure from unions and negotiating contracts in the past one of many reasons I guess. (Ok, I was involved in Unions and later seen the error of my ways.),

I'm familiar with all 3 Unions River mentioned. 2, MGEU and PSAC I was an employee and paid my dues when employed by the companies that were under the watchful eye of these entities... CUPE I was active in and was involved in the negotiation of 3 contracts for a (non government agency), but sat down with those who also represented Mb. Hydro etc.very powerful individuals in thier own spheres of influence.

Yes I've saved many employees from termination on ridiculous grounds or technicalities(similar to our legal system), but eventually saw the bureaucracy and deals made in this area were enough for me to walk away and never look back.
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Old Posted Oct 22, 2013, 8:50 PM
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Read through the contracts on the MGEU, CUPE or PSAC websites. Do some research before making accusations.
Done. Nowhere does it say that people who quit receive severence pay. Would you like to provide a citation? The collective agreements are online.
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Old Posted Oct 22, 2013, 10:18 PM
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Done. Nowhere does it say that people who quit receive severence pay. Would you like to provide a citation? The collective agreements are online.
Right or wrong it happens all the time.It depends on the jurisdiction, Situation, Pension plan, etc...etc...Ex: Work for Man. Immigration for 6 years, have given notice you will be leaving in 6 weeks..(Quitting for better terms), depending on your wage bracket your still getting a hefty payout after a wait. It doesn't dissapear, If you've contributed to RRSP/Other plans...etc. etc.. over years?

Manitoba premier’s outgoing chief of staff receives
six figure severance pay By Steve Lambert | Sep 28, 2012 6:54 pm

WINNIPEG – Manitoba Premier Greg Selinger’s former top adviser walked away from his job with a six-figure severance package, documents released Friday show.

Michael Balagus, who was the chief of staff to Selinger and to former premier Gary Doer before that, received a total of $346,869 in the fiscal year that ended in March.

The previous fiscal year, he received $159,782.

The premier’s office was unable to provide a detailed breakdown of the extra $187,000, but said it included a standard severance package.

“Mr. Balagus has received his salary, a payout of unused vacation and a severance that’s consistent with those of deputy ministers,” Nammi Poorooshasb, the NDP’s director of cabinet communications, wrote in an email.

http://www.ipolitics.ca/2012/09/28/m...severance-pay/
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In Ontario: Severance explanations etc..
https://www.labour.gov.on.ca/english.../severance.php

It is what it is right or wrong.
If you've contibuted in many different ways you get paid, quit, or not..You don't have to look for clauses in contracts, it's usually labor related law.
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Old Posted Oct 22, 2013, 11:20 PM
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Done. Nowhere does it say that people who quit receive severence pay. Would you like to provide a citation? The collective agreements are online.
http://www.mgeu.ca/uploads/document/...f?t=1366121134

Page 25.

That took about one minute.

ALL CUPE workers get ALL their sick days as severance when they leave as well.
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Old Posted Oct 22, 2013, 11:55 PM
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Exactly. There is a small amount of severance for people who retire or get permanently laid off. There is no severance for people who quit. That's what I said.
Maybe you should have spent more than a minute reading it.
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Old Posted Oct 23, 2013, 12:32 AM
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Which union was Sheegl protected by?

To me it just seems like an easy way out for the council to take to avoid any potential legal conflict that might portray them or the mayor negatively. Easy to pay hush money when it isn't coming out of your pocket. There is more than enough evidence of both incompetence and negligence in the CAO position by Sheegl that would justify his termination by the city. If the city is writing golden parachutes into contracts with administrators they need to be contingent on actually attempting to do the job in good faith.
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Old Posted Oct 23, 2013, 3:18 AM
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Exactly. There is a small amount of severance for people who retire or get permanently laid off. There is no severance for people who quit. That's what I said.
Maybe you should have spent more than a minute reading it.
Phil Sheegal retired. So he got severance, just like every government employee.

How do you think this bullshit is justified, Mr. Arrogant? It's because of something called precedence. This was written into his contract when he was hired, just like all the other government contracts that you couldn't find.

Do you really thing a semantic like "quit" or "retired" makes any difference?
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Old Posted Oct 23, 2013, 4:30 AM
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Do you really thing a semantic like "quit" or "retired" makes any difference?
You said "pretty well every government job pays severance for quitting or retiring" so obviously the semantic difference between quitting and retiring was significant enough for you to mention both.
And of course it's a big difference, especially if you plan on collecting a pension immediately afterward. Which Sheegal isn't. Because he quit and didn't retire.
With "pretty much every government job", you need to reach the rule of 80 to retire. And severance packages for quitting may or may not be common among the likes of Sheegal, but with "pretty much every (other) government job," it simply doesn't happen.

You may find it arrogant to point out your blatant errors, but somebody's got to do it.
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Old Posted Oct 23, 2013, 1:22 PM
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Which Sheegal isn't. Because he quit and didn't retire.
Prove it.
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Prove it.
Every report says he quit, but that's irrelevant. The point is you were wrong when you said nearly every government job provides severance when the individual quits. You can try and change the subject or pretend there's suddenly no difference between quitting or retiring, but the fact is you were wrong and you don't have the character to admit it.
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Some disgruntled councillors are turning their sights on Mayor Sam Katz and his senior cabinet in the wake of the fire station land-swap scandal.

Councillors Harvey Smith and Ross Eadie said Katz should follow ex-CAO Phil Sheegl and resign.

Katz "shouldn’t have to be asked to resign, he should just go," Smith (Daniel McIntyre) told councillors over the lunch hour. "He brought (Sheegl) here -- this mess is his fault."

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/loc...229119131.html

Yes he should, end the Circus....But who will fill his shoes?...Any takers? ajs..are you ready?
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Some disgruntled councillors are turning their sights on Mayor Sam Katz and his senior cabinet in the wake of the fire station land-swap scandal.


Yes he should, end the Circus....But who will fill his shoes?...Any takers? ajs..are you ready?
Looks like we'll have a wide-open mayoral election next time around. Can't imagine Katz would face the embarrassment of another run, now that one report came out, another wider report on city real estate is coming and the council turned the forensic accountants and legal team loose on nearly all city deals involving Sheegl and all council members including Katz.

Anyone with any political acumen and a decent campaign team would tear Katz apart just on a test of character. No amount of budget increases to police or fire could buy enough senior votes to overcome the taint of corruption.
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https://twitter.com/KajHasselriis/st...976640/photo/1

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"These councillors & the mayor created the mess": Ad by @Coun_H_Smith in today's Freep attacking Sheegl supporters pic.twitter.com/5qmUqWyLyr
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"These councillors & the mayor created the mess": Ad by @Coun_H_Smith in today's Freep attacking Sheegl supporters pic.twitter.com/5qmUqWyLyr
He's just starting his campaigning early... He's taking a cue from Gord.
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I thought I'd post this as thier are so many Fielding lovers on this forum..Enjoy..
It's a doozy...

Here's a look at the details of his plan:

Fielding unveils 5-point plan to restore trust at City Hall

1. Establishment of Office of Ethics and Accountability:

Hire a statutory officer that reports to council;
Provide ethical and accountability guidelines, oversight of rules and code of conduct;
Investigate potential breaches of conduct, policy and procedures infractions by elected and administrative officials;
Make binding recommendations to council on consequences;
Estimated cost of $200,000 per year

2. Whistleblower Protection Bylaw:

Protect civic staff from blowing the whistle on any rule or regulation violations, gross mismanagement, gross waste of funds; abuse of authority, any illegal acts by civil or elected officials, or a substantial danger to public health or safety;
Any civil employee that violates the Whistleblower Protection ByLaw would be subject to consequences or termination from City of Winnipeg employment
No cost to organization, administered through office of ethics and accountability

3. Lobbyist Registry:

Require all lobbyists to register before they are able to contact elected or senior officials in city government as it relates to policy, procedure or major council and administrative decisions;
Free and open access to government is an important matter of public interest. Lobbying public office holders or administrators is a legitimate activity. It is desirable that public office holders and the public be able to know who is engaged in lobbying activities;
A system of registration of paid lobbyists should not impede free and open access to government;
The primary responsibilities are to provide a public registry for lobbyists to disclose their activities in an open and transparent way;
No cost to the city, administered through Office of Ethics and Accountability

4. Referendum on major capital projects (4 per term of council or an average of 1 per year).

Select major projects would require a vote of Winnipeg citizens before major initiatives would go ahead. i.e. ($600-million rapid transit vs. fixing existing roads and needed work or things like a stadium deal)
Cost to city $200,000 per year
>> Popular with posters

5. Treasury Board to track and monitor expenditures:

Political committee oversight for capital projects and operating initiatives over $1 million;
Track and monitor expenses before money is spent and leaves our treasury;
Responsible for reviewing expenditure plans for all department and agencies of the City of Winnipeg;
Overall fiscal management and reporting;
Initial assessment, continued monitoring and approval of annual department and project expenditures;
Tracking, monitoring and approving all city expenditures above $200,000 before money is released; No cost, restructuring corporate finance

Fielding admits he's still strongly considering a run for mayor

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Councillors discuss altering city borders

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Winnipeg city councillors have their eyes on land outside city limits.

A consensus is developing among councillors that land in neighbouring rural municipalities within the Perimeter Highway should be annexed if growth in surrounding communities isn't controlled.

Wednesday's discussion of annexation was triggered by a plan to close off two residential streets in North Kildonan to prevent them from being used as access routes to a proposed Walmart shopping complex in East St. Paul.
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http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/loc...252590131.html

Is it time?
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Councillors discuss altering city borders



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http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/loc...252590131.html

Is it time?
Wasn't this sort of idea discussed sometime last year? I remember reading about this here and on the Freep.
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