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Old Posted Jul 23, 2009, 10:21 PM
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I tend to disagree with that last statement. If we are expecting retail on the main level. Then some focus on architectural design is important. If we were to build a giant metal box that is inhumane uninviting it may not attract people in the way that a well thought out design might. So please don't dismiss architecture so readily when it comes to its effectiveness in the success of a building.

People need to feel safe, and attracted to this structure. Tieing it in with the surrounding area may be one way to do this.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 23, 2009, 10:24 PM
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Ummm, sure. Okay. Whatever.

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Old Posted Jul 23, 2009, 10:27 PM
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ya one man's opinion and you know like a good portion of the entire field of architecture...

Or should we all just be building square stucco buildings everywhere we please with no planning and thought into the design and the layout?
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 23, 2009, 10:30 PM
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WTF??? Lose the 'tude sport. Best read my posts on this stadium before sprouting off.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 23, 2009, 10:40 PM
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Making the exterior of the stadium look like old warehouses will most certainly look nice. It may very well be appropriate also.

It won't make the stadium more viable though...
I was speaking to your comment on viability, you indicated that achitectual design in this case fitting it in to the surrounding area would not make the project any more or less viable. I guess I did make the assumption that you meant any well thought out architectual design would not make a stadium any more viable when in fact all I should have been able to read out of this is that the design elements of making the structure fit in with the warehouses won't make this stadium more viable.

Please clarify your position, did you mean that any design won't make this stadium more or less viable or just a warehouse district type of design?

If you mean any design then my previous comment still stands.

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Old Posted Jul 23, 2009, 10:49 PM
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I meant what I said.

If the stadium was built to look like the surrounding neighbourhood (warehouses) it would not make the stadium viable.

If the stadium was built to look like the surrounding neighbourhood (warehouses) with retail storefronts all around and a hotel at one end with no parking lot it would go a long way to solving many of the problems of a huge stadium plunked into a downtown surrounded by a parking lot.

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Old Posted Jul 23, 2009, 10:59 PM
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I meant what I said.

If the stadium was built to look like the surrounding neighbourhood (warehouses) it would not make the stadium viable.

If the stadium was built to look like the surrounding neighbourhood (warehouses) with retail storefronts all around and a hotel at one end with no parking lot it would go a long way to solving many of the problems of a huge stadium plunked into a downtown surrounded by a parking lot.

Not Gramps, grumps...
What parking lot?

That said, wouldn't something like this (a little smaller however) look great on the south side of Dewdney Avenue?
     
     
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The inevitable parking lot. The parking lot they always build.

Lemme make a suggest about the above Ford Field. Google map it (42.340365,-83.047459). Note it is surrounded almost entirely by parking for blocks around...
     
     
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The inevitable parking lot. The parking lot they always build.

Lemme make a suggest about the above Ford Field. Google map it (42.340365,-83.047459). Note it is surrounded almost entirely by parking for blocks around...
Look at the neighbourhood especially to the North of Google maps. It is your typical Detroit ghetto with more lots empty than with houses. The ones still standing are probably burnt out crack houses. Why waste money on a parking structure when land is nearly free. This will not be the situation in downtown Regina. Plus people can walk a bit to their cars like they do now with Mosaic without fear of dying, as woudl be the case in Detroit.
     
     
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This is another 30,000 seat retractable roof stadium under construction. This one is in China. Nantong Sports Conference and Exhibition Center

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/20...31_288466.html
     
     
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I have an idea, instead of ONLY debating whether or not a dome is viable, in case the dome DOES get built. How about we argue what should be done to the dome to be most successful. For instance i heard someone mention earlier on another thread that they should have retail stores around the outside of the stadium to help create revenue with leasing fees. An idea i had that is not money related but area related is that since the stadium may be built on the old railyards beside the warehouse district, maybe the exterior of the stadium should have a brick warehouse like facade. Any other ideas of what would make the dome work?
Incorporating retail is a smart move. What's the current mix of land uses in the warehouse district?

I read about the possible tunnel connections between the Casino and stadium. If the tunnel connections are a critical feature/link, then the stadium is restricted to site 3 (I broke up the rail yard land into 3 parcels) and allows sites 1 and 2 to develop at different scales and uses in mind (retail, commercial, residential, park space).

The issue of parking is of concern, albeit minor. Surface lots are dreadful, and should be avoided as much as possible. Parking structures with sufficient day and night users is the preferred scenario. Promoting public transit is a worthwhile initiative too.



     
     
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How does the Superstore lot fit into the scheme of things?

Consider this...

Whoever has the deepest pockets buys all the land from CPR (+ SS lot from the site developers), then, hashes out a multi-parcel development. In another scenario, CPR may decide to chop the land up and sell to the highest bidder. There are a variety upsides and downsides to either scenario, just remember CPR is looking out for number one.

I will be following this development right to the end, it's going to be a good one
     
     
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RE: Moose Jaw Multiplex $/population ratio to Regina


actually the $34 million is old, Its now up to $ 60 million.Estimates have skyrocketed
There was a referendum because of the new cost and the voters approved the new cost

There is a lot of bitter propaganda put out by the "anti Multiplex" groups. They are lying and cherry pick statistics to promote their agenda. The "anti Multiplex" groups are comprised of hillbilly Liberal douchbags, IMO, they are such losers.

Moose Jaw has an astounding 75 million in cash reserves ($$ in the bank) and the multiplex opposers fail to mention this. Moose Jaw is loaded with $$$...we are not the poor little welfare town as so many assume.

I think Regina should get their fair share of government funding like all other communities. No, this will not be built in Saskatoon, so there is no point talking about it. You can buy that BC Place stadium roof and put it on Gordie Howe Bowl
     
     
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RE: Moose Jaw Multiplex $/population ratio to Regina


actually the $34 million is old, Its now up to $ 60 million.Estimates have skyrocketed
There was a referendum because of the new cost and the voters approved the new cost


There is a lot of bitter propaganda put out by the "anti Multiplex" groups. They are lying and cherry pick statistics to promote their agenda. The "anti Multiplex" groups are comprised of hillbilly Liberal douchbags, IMO, they are such losers.

Moose Jaw has an astounding 75 million in cash reserves ($$ in the bank) and the multiplex opposers fail to mention this. Moose Jaw is loaded with $$$...we are not the poor little welfare town as so many assume.

[...]
Your story checks out...and Moose Jaw borrows $21 M...



Executive committee OKs multiplex borrowing

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[...]According to a City Treasurer Ray Goruick, in order to fully cover the city’s share of the $61.3 million project, borrowing $21 million is necessary. That money will be repaid over 25 years from an annual allotment of about $956,000 from the capital budget and approximately $440,000 generated annually from the 2.77 per cent mill rate increase.


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This is my very very rough approximation of the new layout. Keep in mind that the amount of parking, the location of the Hilton, the location of the new stadium, and the location of the old train station tunnels are based on roughly 0% hard facts. Mostly I put the old stadium in there as a reference point for the amount of available land.

     
     
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^I don't think that's enough surface parking.
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What parking lot?

That said, wouldn't something like this (a little smaller however) look great on the south side of Dewdney Avenue?


That would look fantastic!
Just imagine a 25 storey hotel and convention centre and maybe and indoor water park attached.
     
     
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Hoeding! OMG that parking looks awful.

I wouldn't be too focussed on the location of the existing tunnels. I expect there will be more than one crossing of the tracks. I would like to see a wide bridge over the tracks at Scarth Street that would allow pedestrians and maybe even vehicles to cross and give a feel that the stadium area is part of downtown rather than cut off by the tracks. The bridge could even have landscaping, outdoor art, kiosks, etc. Think of the famous Rialto Bridge in Venice.

This is a natural spot for a bridge as it would go in the space between the post office and Casino Show Lounge/Casino office building. It would lead directly into the North entrance of the Cornwall Centre and into the main hall of the mall which is really just an enclosed streetch of Scarth St. It then leads to the South exit on the the F.W. Hill Pedestrian Mall.
     
     
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This is my very very rough approximation of the new layout. Keep in mind that the amount of parking, the location of the Hilton, the location of the new stadium, and the location of the old train station tunnels are based on roughly 0% hard facts. Mostly I put the old stadium in there as a reference point for the amount of available land.

There are actually 3 more existing parkades that appear in this picture that you haven't marked. The Sasktel Parkade (West of the Cornwall Parkade), the Sears Parkade (Hamilton and Sask Dr.) and the Casino Parkade (linked by bridge across Broad. I just point this out so that people realize how much more very close by parking there is at this site as compared to the Mosaic site. There is a lot more parking just out of the shot as well.

What I am saying is that we should not need all that surface parking.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2009, 4:49 PM
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...hillbilly Liberal douchbags...



I think Regina should get their fair share of government funding like all other communities. No, this will not be built in Saskatoon, so there is no point talking about it. You can buy that BC Place stadium roof and put it on Gordie Howe Bowl
Hillbilly Liberals? I'm having a hard time imagining one. Usually the slag on Liberals is that they are elitist. Did you just pick every stereotype you hate to label the people you disagree with?

Anyway, there has been exactly one post here about the stadium going in Saskatoon and that was clearly satirical/ironic. Ease up on the defensiveness. Most of the people questioning the stadium are from Winnipeg, not Saskatoon. They are not saying Regina doesn't deserve something, they are just pointing out the immense costs and questioning the benefits. Those costs will be born in largest part by the people of Regina, so their comments are not made in self-interest.
     
     
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