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Oh, please is right. It seems they'll come up with anything just to stop a project. Their compliants get really played out. You'd think they'd have something better to do with their time.
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^ Some people will just object to anything.
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Monday, December 3, 2007

You Compare: City Tech 'Old Model' to City Tech 'Today Model'

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After all of the excitement about the new City Tech/Ratner tower at the corner of Tillary and Jay Streets -- possibly the tallest building(s) in Brooklyn to date -- the NY Daily News reported that Forest City Ratner spokesperson Loren Riegelhaupt claims that the breathtaking rendering being displayed on blogs and in newspapers (seen on upper left) is stale. "This model is an old model," said Riegelhaupt, who said a height for the building has not been decided. "It's an early rendering and not a reflection of what we're considering today."

Compare the rendering to the draft shown today on the City Tech Web site. The configuration, adjusting for angle, is remarkably similar, though the final height is hard to fathom.

City Tech's site confirms: "City Tech will soon be the home to what is sure to be the architectural landmark of Brooklyn. Standing at the corner of Tillary and Jay Streets, directly across from the Namm Building will soon be the most original piece of architecture since the Brooklyn Bridge, a masterpiece conceived by the celebrated architect Renzo Piano."
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Their compliants get really played out.
To you maybe but the politicians, the people who do have influence, listens to them.
     
     
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To you maybe but the politicians, the people who do have influence, listens to them.

It depends. For example, the Atlantic Yards NIMBYs will tell you that the politicians didn't listen to them nearly as much as they did the Jets Stadium or Con Ed NIMBYs.
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Changes Are Afoot In Downtown Brooklyn

By FRANCIS MORRONE
December 6, 2007

In Brooklyn, so much attention has been paid to Forest City Ratner Co.'s proposed Atlantic Yards mega-development in Prospect Heights and to the rezoning in Greenpoint and Williamsburg that most people haven't been giving much thought to the changes in store for downtown Brooklyn. But downtown, such as we've known it, will, if the city and developers succeed in their plans, be unrecognizable in a few years.

The Web logs that follow Brooklyn development with intense focus — Gowanus Lounge, Brownstoner, Curbed — buzzed recently with speculation that City Tech Tower, at Jay and Tillary streets, might, judging from renderings that have floated around the Internet, rise between 700 feet and 1,000 feet, which would make the Renzo Piano-designed tower Brooklyn's tallest building by far. While so many people were concerned about Frank Gehry's "Miss Brooklyn," the centerpiece tower of the proposed Atlantic Yards, overtopping the beloved Williamsburgh Savings Bank Building, not so far away the same developer, Bruce Ratner, plans to erect a building that may be twice as high as the borough's current tallest building.

City Tech is the New York City College of Technology (formerly New York City Technical College), which is part of the City University of New York. The college's Web site says:

City Tech will soon be home to what is sure to be the architectural landmark of Brooklyn ... the most original piece of architecture since the Brooklyn Bridge, a masterpiece conceived by the celebrated architect Renzo Piano.

Those renderings floating around — an old one and a newer one — look a lot alike, and they both look very much like the kind of precision-tooled high-tech modernism we've come to expect from Mr. Piano. It may end up a good building — even a great building. But given that Mr. Piano is hardly likely to do anything more for Brooklyn than pull an old design out of a drawer, and given that Brooklyn abounds in buildings better than anything Mr. Piano has ever designed, might not City Tech tone down its self-congratulation just a notch?

There's recent news also that 44,000 square feet of high-class retail might be carved out of the lower floors of the Brooklyn Municipal Building on Joralemon Street at Court Street. The intersection apparently has as great a weekday pedestrian flow as Sixth Avenue and 23rd Street in Manhattan, yet because several nearby buildings — Borough Hall, Brooklyn Law School, and the Municipal Building — have no storefronts, little retail profit comes of that heavy flow.

At the same time, the Brooklyn Heights Association and the Municipal Art Society have teamed up to identify "historic resources" in downtown Brooklyn preparatory to pushing for landmark designations to protect some of the better old buildings. These are structures that may otherwise be in the path of humongous developments planned for an area that has been rezoned in the hopes that it may compete with Jersey City as an office center. (I provided some research for the report on historic resources.)

All of this makes it a good time to look at some of downtown Brooklyn's old buildings.

The Brooklyn Municipal Building is rather a staid thing, a squat limestone pile built in 1927. But most of what it's supposed to do urbanistically it does well, as we might expect from such architects as McKenzie, Voorhees & Gmelin, whose chief designer, Ralph Walker, seldom designed bad buildings and sometimes designed — as we shall see — masterpieces. I especially like the long, 10-columned Tuscan colonnade along Joralemon Street, screening the building's recessed entryway and sheltering an entrance to the Borough Hall IRT station. In what other station in the city does the beleaguered straphanger get to enter and exit a station through a grand colonnade?

A block to the south, on Court Street at Livingston Street, the 36-story former Brooklyn Chamber of Commerce Building, now a residential conversion, also went up in 1927. Architect A.F. Simberg's Gothic-detailed, Jazz Age tower rises in tiers as complexly massed as any New York skyscraper of its era, and has lovely terra-cotta accents. Diagonally across Court Street from the Municipal Building, the 13-story Temple Bar Building dates from 1901, when it was the tallest building in Brooklyn. George L. Morse was the architect, and though the building is fussily detailed, it does have some very fine classical ornamentation.

Court Street in this section is Skyscraper Row — the compact grouping of tall buildings that one sees handsomely rising above the bluff of Brooklyn Heights across the East River from Lower Manhattan. At the northwest corner of Court and Remsen streets is Schwartz & Gross's 30-story Court-Remsen Building of 1926, while next door to the south the 40-story Court-Montague Building dates from 1927 and was designed by H. Craig Severance.

Downtown Brooklyn's most beautiful skyscraper is the former New York Telephone Co. Building at the northeast corner of Willoughby and Bridge streets. Built in 1931, it was designed by Ralph Walker of Voorhees, Gmelin & Walker, as the firm had recently been renamed. It is Walker's second-best building in the city, after 1 Wall Street. Walker and Ely Jacques Kahn were the two architects who went furthest in exploiting the zoning-mandated skyscraper-setbacks to dramatic advantage. Walker paid fastidious attention to the "skins" of his buildings, with subtle gradations of color and ripplings and folds that outdo any of the skin games played by today's so-called starchitects. Recently, the office building has been converted to apartments called the BellTel Lofts. City Tech Tower should be half as good.
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Ratner’s ‘Mr Brooklyn’ deal gets sweeter


City Tech’s Klitgord Auditorium, would be replaced by a new tower built by developer Bruce Ratner.


By Adam F. Hutton
December 22, 2007


City University is offering to sweeten its deal with developer Bruce Ratner, The Brooklyn Paper has learned.

Last month, CUNY’s Board of Trustees voted to pay Ratner $307 million to build a new 11- to 14-story laboratory and classroom building for City Tech in Downtown Brooklyn — a whopping $221 million more than the $86 million the university system originally offered the developer in 2004.

The request for additional cash will be taken up by the state legislature next month.

In addition to the fee for constructing the new college building, Ratner would also get control of a lucrative site on the southeast corner of Jay and Tillary streets — a Downtown plot where he is reportedly planning the city’s tallest residential tower, the so-called “Mr. Brooklyn.”

CUNY selected Ratner’s development company to build the 335,000–square-foot building in 2005. Since then, the university and Forest City Ratner have been in negotiations that led to last month’s proposal to increase Ratner’s take.

A CUNY spokesman said that the university’s request for more money from the state does not seal the deal. What Ratner will eventually be paid for his construction services will not be finalized until more negotiations between CUNY and the developer are concluded, he said.

But at this point, negotiations have been going in Ratner’s favor. CUNY’s original 2004 request for proposals promised the winning developer $86 million to build the City Tech lab on the southeast corner of Jay and Tillary streets, plus 1 million square feet in development rights.

The cost of the building has swelled to more than $300 million — and in addition to the extra cash, CUNY is offering to enhance Ratner’s “Mr. Brooklyn” project by building a park on Tillary Street between Jay and Bridge streets.

With his development rights, Ratner is reportedly planning a 700- to 1,000-foot residential behemoth designed by Renzo Piano, the same starchitect behind his well-received Times Tower in Manhattan.

Mr. Brooklyn would include 600 market-rate apartments and serve as a shimmering new corridor into Ratner’s Metrotech Center, an office complex that covers 10-block swath of Downtown.
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promising tower... on the old rendering, its very nice, but not very sure about the yellow...
     
     
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Oh, please...
Besides, think of all the pigeons that might fly smack into the tower, because they're not used to such tall construction in Brooklyn!

Damn it, I thought I looked thru the entire NY compilation before I started a new thread on this building. Sorry, Mods...
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Ratner tower whittled down

Thursday, February 28th 2008


Brooklyn's imagined new skyline just got a little more modest.

City Tech Tower, the downtown Brooklyn building that was expected to dwarf the Williamsburgh Savings Bank as the borough's tallest, will shrink significantly following a deal collapse between developer Bruce Ratner and CUNY.

The Jay St. building was also dealt a second blow: World-renowned architect Renzo Piano has bowed out of the ambitious project,
a source told the Daily News.

"It has been determined that the timing and other complexities associated with developing such a mixed-use project could not be reconciled with the college's immediate need to move forward with a first-class academic space to serve its growing student enrollment," according to a joint statement by Forest City Ratner and CUNY.

City Tech Tower was a key component in an ambitious plan to add nearly two dozen buildings to the borough's skyline.

Many of those buildings are designed by world-renowned architects, and most would soar to 30 stories or higher within the next five years.

The tech tower had been expected to be 700 to 1,000 feet tall and to house classrooms, labs and offices on lower floors and condos on upper floors.

It will now be solely a CUNY facility, possibly as modest as 10 stories, a source said.

It was unclear whether retail would be included in the new plans or who would now design the building.

Construction costs - including labor, materials and insurance - had also been an issue, skyrocketing by more than $50 million over original estimates, according to CUNY memos obtained by The News.

Under the original plan, the building would not have been completed until 2011. Under new plans, however, it could open as early as 2010, according to the memos.

"In summary, proceeding on this project without FCRC's involvement would allow CUNY to build the project more efficiently and, therefore, less expensively," according to the memo, written by CUNY Vice President Iris Weinshall.

Piano, who designed The New York Times' new building in Manhattan, could not be reached for comment yesterday.
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I knew this was coming a mile away, which is why I didn't get my hopes too high on this one. One way or another the tower wasn't going to turn out the way we were shown. It's a shame, but I'm use to these situations by now.
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LOL, Ratner foes in Brooklyn may be pleased.
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Well we will still get a big tower on the site, but it won't be developed by Ratner or designed by Piano.

The article is misleading, because the CUNY expansion is on a separate piece of land from the Piano site. The Piano site will still be developed with a private tower, but the specifics remain to be seen.
     
     
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Ratner kills Mr. Brooklyn


By Gersh Kuntzman
March 1, 2008

Developer Bruce Ratner has pulled out of a deal with City Tech that could have net him hundreds of millions of dollars and allowed him to build the city’s tallest residential tower, the so-called Mr. Brooklyn, The Brooklyn Paper has learned.

“It was a mutual decision,” said a key executive at the City University of New York, which would have paid Ratner $300 million to build a new dorm and lab for City Tech and given him a prime plot at the corner of Tillary and Jay streets where he reportedly hoped to build the 100-story, Renzo Piano-designed building.

“Both sides agreed that the costs had escalated and the numbers showed that we should not go down that road,” added the executive, who did not wish to be identified.

Costs had indeed escalated. In 2005, CUNY agreed to pay Ratner $86 million to build the 11- to 14-story classroom-dormitory and also to hand over the lucrative development site where City Tech’s Klitgord Auditorium now sits.

Then in December, CUNY raised Ratner’s fee to $307 million with no explanation.

“Ratner’s ‘Mr. Brooklyn’ deal gets sweeter,” The Brooklyn Paper headline read.

Still, it’s likely that Ratner willingly got out of the deal in light of the nation’s ongoing credit crunch (see story below) and his own shaky finances, said Councilman David Yassky.

“He may be overextended right now,” said Yassky (D– Brooklyn Heights). “Look, a lot of developers are re-evaluting their numbers and feel that residential buildings don’t work right now,” he said.

Yassky called Ratner’s withdrawal “good news” for Brooklyn.

“A residential building at that corner was an awkward fit,” said Yassky. “A lot of planners see that site as ideal for a significant office building.”


Forest City Ratner did not return two messages from The Brooklyn Paper.

The CUNY official said the dorm and lab would still be built — but no longer as a public-private partnership.

“We’ll build it in partnership with the state Dormitory Authority,” the executive said.
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This thread should probably be closed, or retitled.
Not at all, the tower is just going through design changes that will be made by a new architect. Don't be so quick to give this the ax.
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Update: CUNY gives Ratner failing grade

By Gersh Kuntzman
March 8, 2008

The City University of New York scotched a plan to hire Bruce Ratner to build a new lab and residential skyscraper in Downtown Brooklyn because the Atlantic Yards developer would be too expensive, too slow and too controversial, The Brooklyn Paper has learned.

A newly surfaced memo shows that CUNY wanted out of its deal to pay Ratner $307 million — up from $86 million in 2005 — to build a new facility for City Tech on Jay Street because costs had begun to soar.

“Cost estimates for the project have increased substantially — approximately $50 million,” CUNY Vice Chancellor Iris Weinshall wrote to Chancellor Matthew Goldstein on Feb. 22, days before the CUNY-Ratner divorce made news.

Ratner might have been able to swallow the additional cost, given that the project also would have handed the developer control of a prime lot at Tillary and Jay streets — a corner where he once planned to build a Renzo Piano-designed skyscraper that would be the city’s tallest condo tower.

But, Weinshall said, “the downturn in the local residential real-estate market” makes that dream an impossible one at the current time.


Not that she was complaining: “Proceeding with this project without [Ratner’s] involvement would allow CUNY to build the project more efficiently and, therefore, less expensively,” Weinshall said.

A CUNY spokesman said the 11-story lab and classroom space would be built with the state Dormitory Authority.

A spokesman for Ratner disputed that the developer would be to blame for delays. Unlike the lab building, the Piano-designed tower would have to go through the city’s land-use review procedure, a process that can take eight months (if there is no controversy) to two years (a likely scenario, given the 70- to 100-story tower Ratner once sought).

Brooklyn boosters agreed that residential development was challenged by the tight financial markets, but said Downtown Brooklyn would enjoy the residential boom already underway

“We’re seeing a residential community already underway,” said Joe Chan, president of the Downtown Brooklyn Partnership. “If there’s any ‘downturn,’ it is only that developers now have to be increasingly mindful” of the thousands of units already being built in Downtown.
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This proposal is dead but the project isn't. Something will get built here.

The spot is between the high school and the white building. It would have been perfect for the old proposal but Oh well.
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