[Moncton] East (Harrisville, Lewisville, Tankville, Irishtown) Developments

[MonctonRad]

CBC article about the new francophone K-8 school off of McLaughlin:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-b...hool-1.5464519

Apparently $44.1M has been allocated by the province and construction will proceed expeditiously (assuming zoning approval, which is a given). Site prep will begin this spring.

[Patapouf26]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

Moncton PAC agenda for February - available online.

There are more images available from the enclosed documents. I only posted the ones I thought were most pertinent.

Great thanks!

[Patapouf26]

Originally Posted by b2dam

Is L'Odysee and Le Mascaret really that overcrowded that they need to build such a huge school so close to it?

The Francophone school district must have a lot of pull that the Anglophone one doesn't, because they have no problem getting new schools built. Meanwhile there are 5 English schools looking to get replaced by 2 larger schools and it doesn't seem like that will happen anytime soon.

Dieppe could also probably use a new Anglophone school since Lou Macnairn is supposedly very overcrowded. I personally don't see that happening all.

Actually, yes, there are serious overcrowding issues - not only at Le Mascaret and l'Odyssée, but at most Moncton francophone schools. Ernst & Young (EY) have done a study, accompanied by a step by step action plan, showing exactly this. It's a good location that is still within city limits and should encourage future growth within these limits.

To delve in the study in a nutshell: by 2029 schooling capacity would be insufficient. As of now, Champlain (built in 2015) ans Le Sommet (2012) both have three trailer extensions each and are at 100% capacity. Sainte-Bernadette is at 100% and Saint-Henri is at 90%. L'Odyssée is at 100% capacity even when encroaching on Le Mascaret classes, which explains the anomaly of Le Mascaret only being at 57%.

They even mention that capacity has been insufficient since last year (2019). By 2029, there could be a need for 53 trailers if things are left as is.

So, l'Odyssée needs the whole building (but will still be overcrowded by 2028) and the new school will permit that while also relieving the other K-8 schools that are at capacity. EY are recommending an expansion to L'Odyssée in 2028.

The new school will open in 2022, but by 2029 it will already be at capacity (at 1,291 students) unless a new francophone school in Riverview (as proposed) is built.

Does the francophone district have more pull than the anglophone district? That's a good question. I'm assuming that the DOE is well aware of the demand in either language. Nothrop Frye was built in 2011, MHS was opened in 2015, Riverview East was opened in 2014, Maplehurst was just opened. The Moncton area is growing and I think both language communities are having trouble adjusting to the growth and the accompanying school overcrowding...

Study : https://francophonesud.nbed.nb.ca/im...CvnujXfsl77fq8

[MonctonRad]

Good analysis.

And to add to the above, the Anglophone district is beginning the process towards a new high school for the northwest end too, again because of capacity issues.

Does the francophone district have more pull than the anglophone one? I think that's debatable. Perhaps not in terms of additional school construction. It seems to me though that it is more difficult to get replacement schools built on the English side. This could be more perception than reality, but there are certainly a number of English schools that are at or near end of life, and a recent plan to replace Hillcrest and Bessborough with a new combined English school has been shelved.

[David_99]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

...but there are certainly a number of English schools that are at or near end of life, and a recent plan to replace Hillcrest and Bessborough with a new combined English school has been shelved.

Wasn't there also talk of replacing Forest Glen, Sunny Brae & Mountain View with one new school? I haven't heard anything since.

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by David_99

Wasn't there also talk of replacing Forest Glen, Sunny Brae & Mountain View with one new school? I haven't heard anything since.

Yes there was.

[Patapouf26]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

Good analysis.

And to add to the above, the Anglophone district is beginning the process towards a new high school for the northwest end too, again because of capacity issues.

Does the francophone district have more pull than the anglophone one? I think that's debatable. Perhaps not in terms of additional school construction. It seems to me though that it is more difficult to get replacement schools built on the English side. This could be more perception than reality, but there are certainly a number of English schools that are at or near end of life, and a recent plan to replace Hillcrest and Bessborough with a new combined English school has been shelved.

Thanks!

It is certainly easier to see the franco district's vision vs the anglo east district. I think this is evident just by visiting both websites and seeing how active they are. DSFS is much better at communicating to the public than trying to find anything relating to developments on AESD's site. Does this have an impact? Possibly, but, as fictional example, probably less than having a superintendent who has a close relationship to the minister.

[b2dam]

Originally Posted by Patapouf26

Thanks!

It is certainly easier to see the franco district's vision vs the anglo east district. I think this is evident just by visiting both websites and seeing how active they are. DSFS is much better at communicating to the public than trying to find anything relating to developments on AESD's site. Does this have an impact? Possibly, but, as fictional example, probably less than having a superintendent who has a close relationship to the minister.

Thanks for responding. Good info.

Seems one problem is that hey haven't built these new schools big enough to begin with. This is even the case with Maplehurst which already has 600 students, but only the capacity for 700+. Doesn't leave a lot of wiggle room.

[MonctonRad]

This is interesting:

Details scarce on NB Power plan to begin building solar-powered neighborhood this year
Utility to spend millions on 100 solar-powered house in Halls Creek area of Moncton
Robert Jones · CBC News · Posted: Feb 19, 2020 5:00 AM AT | Last Updated: 3 hours ago
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-b...omes-1.5467975

A multimillion-dollar plan to build a cluster of 100 solar-powered houses in the Halls Creek area of Moncton's Vision Lands — organized and partially paid for by NB Power — is scheduled to begin construction this year, although the exact location is unclear, no public announcements have been made and other details about the project are still vague

According to a contract signed between NB Power and Siemens Canada Ltd. last year and entered into evidence at the rate hearing, the development involves the construction of 100 high efficiency "near net zero" houses over three years in a single neighbourhood that would operate as an experimental "micro-grid" the utility can study.

Each house is to be outfitted with solar panels, storage batteries, electric vehicle chargers and various "smart" products, including thermostats, meters and water heaters — largely installed at NB Power's expense.

The houses are to be run internally by sophisticated "nanogrid controllers" and will also be interconnected with each other using new microgrid technologies and artificial intelligence.

If I were to guess, I would suggest they are looking at the site of the formerly proposed "Hall's Creek Village" for this development, which is right next to the new francophone school that is to be built beginning this year.

[Patapouf26]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

This is interesting:

Details scarce on NB Power plan to begin building solar-powered neighborhood this year
Utility to spend millions on 100 solar-powered house in Halls Creek area of Moncton
Robert Jones · CBC News · Posted: Feb 19, 2020 5:00 AM AT | Last Updated: 3 hours ago
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-b...omes-1.5467975




If I were to guess, I would suggest they are looking at the site of the formerly proposed "Hall's Creek Village" for this development, which is right next to the new francophone school that is to be built beginning this year.

Interesting indeed!

There are some "Lingering questions" as mentioned in the article.

1. HarbourEdge Capital, the company who owns the remaining land from the original aborted project (2014), says "it has not been approached about NB Power's project."

2. "A second major landowner in the area, Century II Holdings Ltd., recently submitted a subdivision plan to the city close to Halls Creek, but President Wayne Girvan said it is not connected to the NB Power project, which he too had not heard about."

Anyone know anything of this development or company?

3. No formal applications to the city yet.

4. Who's the builder?

It's time to generate interest (because it's an exciting project) in this development if they want potential customers to buy-in by this construction season.

Hopefully we'll know more soon!

[Feneant]

NB Power has to play this smart, people in NB won't pay a premium for a more efficient property as has already been shown:
Net-zero-energy home sits empty as builder struggles to find buyer

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-b...zero-1.5452840s

[OliverD]

Originally Posted by Feneant

NB Power has to play this smart, people in NB won't pay a premium for a more efficient property as has already been shown:
Net-zero-energy home sits empty as builder struggles to find buyer

That house is simply poorly designed. Efficient or not, no one is going to pay $695k for an ugly three bedroom house with a questionable mix of finishes and styles.

[habs33]

Saw on the FB retail group that the sign is up for the new pet store "the Bone & Biscuit" opening on Granite. They have it listed as opening in March on their website

Also the McDonald's colors are up in their unit so that should be opening soon too

[BlackYear]

Anyone know what's opening across the street from the Granite / Elmwood intersection? Looks like a McD, Starbucks, Tim Horton, any other fast service type of restaurant building. Tks.

[FarmerTom]

Originally Posted by BlackYear

Anyone know what's opening across the street from the Granite / Elmwood intersection? Looks like a McD, Starbucks, Tim Horton, any other fast service type of restaurant building. Tks.

McDonalds

[David_99]

Originally Posted by BlackYear

Anyone know what's opening across the street from the Granite / Elmwood intersection? Looks like a McD, Starbucks, Tim Horton, any other fast service type of restaurant building. Tks.

A used car dealership called ReCar.

[MonctonRad]

Construction has resumed for the Mezza Lebanese Kitchen at McLaughlin Place


photo from Retail Talk & Share

[BlackYear]

A couple of updated photos of the Pleasant st apartment.

[MonctonRad]

A bunch of photos were recently posted on Retail Talk & Share showing projects ongoing in the Caledonia Industrial Park. I thought they belonged here too.

[MonctonRad]

Work is progressing on the Mezza Lebanese Kitchen at McLaughlin Place:


photo from Retail Talk & Share

With the number of food establishments there, (Dominos, Kim Bao, Guacamole, Subway and now Mezza), McLaughlin Place must be the "go to place" for fast food for the UdeM crowd.