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Old Posted Jul 9, 2020, 7:26 PM
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Parts of Venice and Marina Del Rey might compete with the Hollywood Hills.

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I don't get the because it's a bigger city.
In your view, an European city can't be a big city?

Paris (12 million inhabitants) is bigger than twice of Montreal and Quebec City combined.
I don't think that's the point. It's about how the city developed.

Montreal *could* have developed in a way that looks like Quebec City all over it, and still have 4 million people. But it did not.

Paris has millions of people and while the entire metro does not have the classic Paris look, almost all of Paris intra-muros does, as do many of the closer-in suburbs. That is still a huge area with millions of people living in it.

You don't really have that anywhere in Canada or the U.S. Where most of the city has the same historic architectural style.
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Old Posted Jul 9, 2020, 7:33 PM
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Parts of Venice and Marina Del Rey might compete with the Hollywood Hills.

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California towns up and down the coast have a very Mediterranean Europe look about them; the brightly colored buildings and the vegetation.
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Boston I can definitely see. Parts of it really do remind me of cities in Ireland or England. I don't get European vibes from Charleston or New Orleans. Maybe Savannah a little more just due to the layout of the squares, but those Southern cities seem distinctly American to me.

Quebec City is a little slice of France just dropped into North America. It is hands down the most European environment in North America. Montreal feels less so to me, because it's a bigger city. Looks and feels more like a French speaking Brooklyn than Paris imo.
The "French Brooklyn" analogy has been made often and it is valid. But if we are answering the original question, which is what neighborhood feels European, then Old Montreal does give a somewhat European illusion. The street grid is also as old as Quebec City's, not typical of large NA cities.

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Old Posted Jul 9, 2020, 8:25 PM
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Paris has millions of people and while the entire metro does not have the classic Paris look, almost all of Paris intra-muros does, as do many of the closer-in suburbs. That is still a huge area with millions of people living in it.

You don't really have that anywhere in Canada or the U.S. Where most of the city has the same historic architectural style.
It's kind of unrelated, but this makes me thinking, there's also something peculiar about luxury single-family homes in the outer suburbs of Paris.
They are almost always hidden behind fences and trees. Some have large yards that you could call gardens or even little parks anyway, but it seems that millionaires in the outer burbs would usually abide by this French paradigm:

Pour vivre heureux, vivons cachés.
To be happy, let us hide.

There is a couple of benefits to this.
First, it makes it slightly harder to burglars or ill-disposed people to trespass on one's property. Especially when there are big dogs like Beaucerons in the garden, which happens to be the case quite sometimes.
Second, by hiding and protecting your own private place, you may avoid a lot of social jealousy or ill envy, that usually drives people malicious at you.

In the US, they don't hide behind fences. Their yards are most often open to anybody. In fact, they appear to do the opposite, showing off their social success and wealth.
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California towns up and down the coast have a very Mediterranean Europe look about them; the brightly colored buildings and the vegetation.
True. Manhattan/Hermosa is a good example too.
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True. Manhattan/Hermosa is a good example too.
I'd move to Manhattan Beach in a NY minute if I could.
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True. Manhattan/Hermosa is a good example too.
Santa Barbara.
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I like Hermosa myself. Manhattan Beach is too... bro-ey for me.
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In the US, they don't hide behind fences. Their yards are most often open to anybody. In fact, they appear to do the opposite, showing off their social success and wealth.
No . . . the wealthiest neighborhoods usually have walls, fences or high hedges. But they aren't so much hiding the size of the house or whatever--it's that they want privacy for the outdoor spaces like swimming pools, tennis courts, gardens and so on. There is also some security value--not perfect but some, especially if there are also cameras and security staff (or the dogs).

This is one of the most expensive parts of Beverly Hills. You can see most of the houses have some kind of greenery hiding them and usually buried in the greenery is a fence:


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Those are show-off mansions for internationally famous celebrities and billionaire socialites who want to keep the paparazzi and stalkers out.

When it comes to the "normal" rich, I think Mousquet has a point. Going off google street view, it looks like most of Bellevue, outer Long Island, Palo Alto, etc, have houses with open front yards.

Are those areas where the high net worth power broker tech founders and CEO's live? Dunno, but you know anyone would still call those "elite" neighborhoods.
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Those are show-off mansions for internationally famous celebrities and billionaire socialites who want to keep the paparazzi and stalkers out.

When it comes to the "normal" rich, I think Mousquet has a point. Going off google street view, it looks like most of Bellevue, outer Long Island, Palo Alto, etc, have houses with open front yards.

Are those areas where the high net worth power broker tech founders and CEO's live? Dunno, but you know anyone would still call those "elite" neighborhoods.
It's more a question of how much room there is for fences and such. On San Francisco's Outer Broadway--aka "Billionaire's Row"--where the likes of Larry Ellison and the Gettys have homes and the average net worth is probably at least as high as Beverly Hills, the houses are much more exposed just because the lots are smaller city lots. But Mousequet referred to "the outer suburbs of Paris" where there's plenty of land also.

Incidentally, most tech moguls don't live in Palo Alto. That's for the mid-level tech people. The founders/CEOs/major stockholders live in places like Saratoga where you find houses like this:



or this:


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Large lots, often alone on hilltops, and, again, lots of screening greenery.
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This is one of the most expensive parts of Beverly Hills. You can see most of the houses have some kind of greenery hiding them and usually buried in the greenery is a fence:
Damn right... C'est vrai. I even went there but of course, I'd forgotten. Because Beverly Hills is boring, isn't it? There's nothing much to do out there.

What they call Hollywood for instance may be kind of bland and seedier, it is funnier anyhow. There's just some stuff for naive tourists...
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True. Manhattan/Hermosa is a good example too.
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I would add Napels (Long Beach neighborhood) to the list, it was also designed around water canals. You can even go on a gondola ride through the area. This is one of my favorite spots, I love it because it's so chilled and not so touristy as other coastal southern California communities.

This Italian-inspired Long Beach community was developed in the early 1900's as the “Dreamland of Southern California” and consists of three islands filled with narrow streets and walkways, canals, beautiful houses and boats, a plaza with a water fountain, and excellent shopping and restaurants on nearby 2nd Street.

https://www.californiabeaches.com/na...202nd%20Street.
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What they call Hollywood for instance may be kind of bland and seedier, it is funnier anyhow. There's just some stuff for naive tourists...
It had its moment: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studio_One_(nightclub))
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Closest in Chicago is the Riverwalk.
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Closest in Chicago is the Riverwalk.
Yeah, if you ignore the giant skyscrapers
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I'd move to Manhattan Beach in a NY minute if I could.
Same. I love hanging out there on occasion.
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Damn right... C'est vrai. I even went there but of course, I'd forgotten. Because Beverly Hills is boring, isn't it? There's nothing much to do out there.

What they call Hollywood for instance may be kind of bland and seedier, it is funnier anyhow. There's just some stuff for naive tourists...
The tourists get confused.
Hollywood is really the entertainment industry, which Beverly Hills is apart of. The actual Hollywood neighborhood is just one part of it, but the most known. It is the dirtiest part, compared to BH, West Hollywood, Burbank, Playa Vista, Studio City etc. But all of that stuff is the "real Hollywood".

It's wealthy, but it's not boring per se. The Golden Triangle is a solid, walkable shopping district, and then you have south Beverly Drive (restaurants/shops) and Robertson for more of the same. Then there's Beverly Hills adj, the part of LA that's an exentsion of BH.

Heres the Golden Triangle (not Rodeo)
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.0685...7i16384!8i8192


Bel Air is boring in comparison, where it's just mainly large houses.

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