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You've already resorted to name-calling, quite erroneously, might I add- I live in Manhattan and I was raised in Queens. Never in my life have I taken up residence in Brooklyn. I have nothing invested in the state or fate of Brooklyn.
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Regardless of where you reside (if I'm to believe what you said), your position mirrors exactly those of the NIMBYs. So my calling you a NIMBY is actually not that far-fetch.
Tell me something, why are tall towers here inappropriate? I know you're going to say, "well, the area is mostly lowrises and this is out-of-scale..." but I already used the Paris example, to which you still have yet to refute.
I want to add that all highrise districts evolve from lowrise areas. At some point, there had to be a first tall tower. With your logic of not allowing anything tall to rise in predominantly lowrise areas, there'd be no highrises whatsoever, anywhere.
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I just happen to think that a project like this, which on its own is only minorly offensive, can set things off down a slippery slope of gentrification, displacement and degradation of the neighborhood. It's not bullshit at all.
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It's based on your ignorance of economics and the law of supply and demand so yes, it is very much BS.
I told you that putting a cap on height and thus the supply of new housing units, will only hasten gentrification. New York is a very desirable city for many people to live in, demand will always be there.
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Pick up an urban planning textbook or Jane Jacobs' "The Death and Life of Great American Cities" and get a fucking clue.
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Okay, I don't have a clue but you obviously do, so tell me what am I not understanding?
Look at the title of that Jane Jacobs book:
Life and
Death of ...
You even said below that this tower will bring prosperity to Fort Greene. I can't fathom somehow prosperity can bring death to the city? Is that even logical to you?
The empty lots and graffiti-filled warehouses represent life, while prosperity represents death? What kind of twisted world are you living in?
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This is not NIMBYism- it's based in an understanding, rather than a total misunderstanding of good planning, development and growth.
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Yeah, and you know what is good planning and what is not, right?
Judging from what you've said so far, it's safe to say you are quite clueless.
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I honestly don't believe that a project like this will be good for Fort Green. It may bring great economic prosperity to the area, but, a city's success cannot be measured by economic prosperity alone.
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In this one statement, you have actually managed to contradict yourself. Economic prosperity won't be good for Fort Greene? So, poverty is best, right? Yeah, we're dealing with a good planning understanding genius here.
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Cities are constituted by the people who inhabit them just as much as the buildings that compose their urban fabric and the two are extremely interrelated.
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Wow. So cities are inhabited by the people that live there? How did you ever figure that one out? Pure genius.
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I also want to stress again that I'm not anti-development, nor am I opposed to tearing down shitty old warehouses and abandoned buildings to create new residences. The "problem" of housing wealtheir newcomers can be solved without resorting to putting up skyscrapers in typically low and mid-rise neighborhoods. One need look no further than density statistics for the Village and Lower East Side to see the level of density that can be achieved with the erection of very few skyscrapers.
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Funny you should use these two areas as your examples of good planning when these two places have been the poster childs for gentrification.
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If you don't know the difference between a highrise and a skyscraper, then I don't think that this is the place for you. All skyscrapers are highrises, but not all highrises are skyscrapers. For example, the other project that Kroy posted (the sixteen story Meier tower) is a highrise, but you couldn't make much of a case for it as a skyscraper.
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You were the one that made it unclear. I merely asked you to clarify.
On one hand you referred to this as being a luxury skyscraper but then said that a large highrise is preferrable. If this tower is not a large highrise, then tell me what is?
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It doesn't impose like this tower. It keeps everything street-centric and just has more of an egalitarian feel.
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It doesn't seem imposing to me. Maybe it's just you and people like you that it does. I'd get my head examined if I were you if a 30-story building can get you that bent out of shape.