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Originally Posted by Mayor Quimby
You act as if these people actually had a choice in the matter. The majority of people are one mistake, missed cheque or bad choice from being in the same position. If one has no support system when they fall down then they have nobody to help them up.
Many of us make these life errors but have family and friends that will ALWAYS help us out. What if we didn't?
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Wrong.
The article states rather clearly what they're doing. Don't have a place to stay ? Yes you do. Go there when it's time to sleep instead of calling an ambulance to take you there. Better yet, stick around, clean yourself up and get yourself together.
The "they're just victims" argument only works for so long. If these people actually wanted to change their lives they would be trying to. Obviously they don't want to. Nothing worse than helping people wallow in their own self-pity. This is a perfect example of exactly what I'm talking about. If you won't expect them to show personal responsibility then why should they ?
So yeah, go ahead, let them feel proud to be pariahs. That way we're all better off.
Now as for your own reasoning on all of this :
The road to hell is paved with good intentions. We're supposed to provide people with universal health care. Done. We're supposed to provide people with housing ? That's what welfare is for (and don't start with the crap about how welfare isn't enough to live on. It's not supposed to be. It's supposed to be there for when you need it , not there for you to party with which is what these people are obviously doing) We're supposed to give people a free education ? Already provided. Addictions problems ? How many treatment centers and hostels are we supposed to have for people to turn to ? There are already more than enough.
The problem is that some people just don't WANT any of this stuff.
What you would have us do is basically just give them cash. That's the problem with you socialist types. If people won't take what's offered then you guys always assume that the problem lies with "the system" instead of with the people who won't do something for themselves in the first place. The idea that people take responsibility for themselves is like kryptonite to you guys.
They have free education, health care, plenty of social services designed to help them to help themselves. They have a place to stay until they can afford their own. I'm sick of being told that I'm not paying these people enough to get their own bloody act together.
Of course, as soon as anybody points out that they're irresponsible and that's the core problem , we're always labeled as uncaring and elitist by you socialists. Instead of appreciating that we don't feel we should be just handing our cash over to drug addicts , drunks, and irresponsible people in general, you start with the ad hominem crap.
Forget it. YOU can spend YOUR money and YOUR time on these guys. Until they actually make an effort of their own they don't DESERVE what they're already getting.