SAN DIEGO | Boom Rundown, Vol. 2

[SDCAL]

Originally Posted by SDfan

Updates from Hughes Marino

- Horton will either get a full redo, or a minimal update (Bosa and Cisterra are in the running)
- Ritz/7th & Market should break ground by end of year
- New office building render in LI


http://hughesmarino.com/san-diego/bl...fice-building/

Great, I was nervous about the Ritz project glad to see it’s not dead. I think that will be transformational for east village.

As far as Horton Plaza, my opinion is it should be a complete re-do and turn it inside out to have stores at street level. I don’t see how doing a minimal re-do would be economically viable and solve the problem of tenants fleeing. Part of the problem seems to be it’s so insular it doesn’t get enough foot traffic for the stores.

[SDCAL]

Originally Posted by staplesla

I’m a pretty infrequent poster on this site, but view it every few days as I’m passionate about development in our city and serve in a capacity related to the development downtown.

I must say there is much negativity on this forum, mainly by two individuals. It seems that those individuals complain every few days about the lack of taller structures. The height limit isn’t going away as long as the airport remains in its current location. So complaining is fruitless.

Additionally, if there wasn’t a height limit and we had much taller structures we’d then have less density. I moved here over a decade ago from NYC and love taller structures. But I prefer density to a few tall buildings as it creates vibrancy. And I feel if the reverse was occurring these individuals would then be complaining about the lack of density.

I served on the commission to review moving the airport and I was in favor of it. And I’m not in favor of putting billions into an airport that can only handle so many flights due to its one runway. But it is what it is. So stop complaining. Instead, seek the change you wish to see. Otherwise your complaints are fruitless and create an environment that isn’t welcoming to those of us who merely wish to discuss responsible development for the city.

It’s not about the street level experience so much as it’s about the skyline view from afar. We are famous for a “plateau” skyline which some of us feel would look even better with more height variety. I think complaining just to complain is annoying, but many of us including myself have asked good questions about the height limit that I don’t think have been sufficiently answered. For example, does it or should it apply to areas east of the ballpark since that area is further from the airport? It wasn’t on anyone’s radar skyscrapers would be built in that area when they came up with the height restrictions. I don’t think asking questions like that is negative, it’s people who are interested in San Diego’s high rise development trying to get more information. I will grant you some of the posters on here can be snarky and get defensive when someone doesn’t support their opinion. I think that’s a bigger problem than discussions about the height limit

[mello]

We all know that Horton Plaza needs to be bulldozed and a whole fresh approach taken. (Was never going to be Arena, arena site is behind PetCo not the HP site). No way 600k sq. feet of retail will work in one concentrated place downtown, the entire landscape of retail in US is changing. SD can't support a big mall downtown especially with UTC redone and won't Ball Park Village have retail?

My concern is BOSA just sitting on this land for a long period of time, will he partner with someone else on this since it will probably be a 2 Billion dollar project? This could be some thing like a mini MGM City Centre in Las Vegas so its going to be big money.

Will Cisterra bring in a huge mega partner? How high will the City let this project go because it is Gaslamp adjacent? 300 feet, 500 feet?

7th/Market thank god, its about time and hopefully that other 22/24 floor hotel across the street also gets the Green Light.

[SDfan]

Originally Posted by SDCAL

It’s not about the street level experience so much as it’s about the skyline view from afar. We are famous for a “plateau” skyline which some of us feel would look even better with more height variety. I think complaining just to complain is annoying, but many of us including myself have asked good questions about the height limit that I don’t think have been sufficiently answered. For example, does it or should it apply to areas east of the ballpark since that area is further from the airport? It wasn’t on anyone’s radar skyscrapers would be built in that area when they came up with the height restrictions. I don’t think asking questions like that is negative, it’s people who are interested in San Diego’s high rise development trying to get more information. I will grant you some of the posters on here can be snarky and get defensive when someone doesn’t support their opinion. I think that’s a bigger problem than discussions about the height limit

I agree with this.

[HurricaneHugo]

Pinnacle's twin is a little more than halfway built

[Nv_2897]

Im new to this forum! I find it very interesting how many projects are proposed for SD! Anyways I was reading and Manchester Pacific Gateway will break ground by next month!

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/...503-story.html

[The Flying Dutchman]

Financing secured for Manchester's $1.5B project:

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/...503-story.html

[eburress]

Originally Posted by The Flying Dutchman

Financing secured for Manchester's $1.5B project:

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/...503-story.html

hahaha - hallelujah!

[SDfan]

Yaaaaazzzzzzzz qwweeeen!

[Nv_2897]

Its confirmed it will be breaking ground on June 1st

http://www.sandiegometro.com/2018/05...rt-may-4-2018/

[The Flying Dutchman]

Originally Posted by Nv_2897

Its confirmed it will be breaking ground on June 1st

http://www.sandiegometro.com/2018/05...rt-may-4-2018/

I like this article way better than the UT!

[mello]

Finally! Game Changer for SD, this spells the death knell for a "slight redo" of Horton Plaza because now you will have a retail component of Manchester Development, Upgrade Coming to Seaport, and we all forget Ball Park Village will have a decent retail component.

So the west side of DT and east side will have retail no need for a significant presence at the Horton Plaza spot. I'm so excited now!! 7th and Market getting going plus tons of towers and biggest project on the whole west Coast finally breaking ground

[Northparkwizard]

Ezabelle drawings.

[embora]

Thanks for the photo, NPWiz. That looks like a nice piece of infill development!

I wonder if the plants shown on all of the balconies are supposed to be owned by individual residents, or if the development is contemplating a climbing ivy.

By the way, here's an interesting piece of trivia: The historic house in the photo was moved to this site. It used to be on 11th and Broadway: https://photostore.sandiegohistory.o...10-91-18387-6/

[HurricaneHugo]

Originally Posted by Nv_2897

Its confirmed it will be breaking ground on June 1st

http://www.sandiegometro.com/2018/05...rt-may-4-2018/

About time!

And welcome to the forum!

[dtell04]

Originally Posted by Boatguy619

Is there anyway to embed the video of "future" National City? I've reached my reading limit of the UT

As for the Carlsbad project being rejected, I don't understand the fuss. The project doesn't fit that area at all and would more than likely attract future mid-rise developments nearby. I love our sleepy little beach towns and downtown Carlsbad is one of the best. If you want density at the beach move to Santa Monica. Lived there, hated that

Use reader view on your phone to get around the UT article limit.

[Nerv]

Don’t know if anyone posted this before.

Downtown SD Population Grows 10%
APRIL 16, 2018 | BY KELSI MAREE BORLAND
Downtown San Diego has the fastest growing population in San Diego County, and it is fueling new development and land prices.


Downtown San Diego has the biggest population growth in the greater San Diego market. According to research from JLL, the Downtown population has grown 10% since 2010 with a total of nearly 200,000 residents, while the population in Greater San Diego market has grown 7.9% during the same time. The same research shows that South County has the largest population in the market with nearly 800,000 residents. The South County has also seen significant population growth at a pace of 8.2% since 2010.

[Will O' Wisp]

Originally Posted by Nerv

Don’t know if anyone posted this before.

Downtown SD Population Grows 10%
APRIL 16, 2018 | BY KELSI MAREE BORLAND
Downtown San Diego has the fastest growing population in San Diego County, and it is fueling new development and land prices.


Downtown San Diego has the biggest population growth in the greater San Diego market. According to research from JLL, the Downtown population has grown 10% since 2010 with a total of nearly 200,000 residents, while the population in Greater San Diego market has grown 7.9% during the same time. The same research shows that South County has the largest population in the market with nearly 800,000 residents. The South County has also seen significant population growth at a pace of 8.2% since 2010.

Either these journos have a very different definition of "downtown" than everyone else on the planet, or they've gotten some very erroneous information. Downtown SD, as defined as everything west of the 5, north of the Coronado bridge, and south of Midway only covers 4.53 square miles. When you take out the airport, the recruiting depot, the 10th Ave marine terminal and the port tidelands (which legally can't have permanent housing built on them) that's an area of just under 2.3 square miles. Every survey I've seen gives a current pop of under 40k, and the latest housing plans don't anticipate a pop of over 100k until after 2050. 200k would mean we currently have a greater population density than Manhattan....

[cjreisen]

Can someone post an update on those navy buildings near the water downtown? Curious what the demolition progress has been.

[Will O' Wisp]

Overall skyline progress

Stephen Varns aka SDDrumguy on Reddit

Does kind of put in perspective the permanence of the current planning cycle. The Manchester project will fill up most of the 'gap' between the Pacific Gateway and the Hyatt at or above the level of the Embassy Suites, Pacific Hwy & Broadway will plug much of the gap in between PG and One America Plaza, Two America Plaza covers most of the other side. If the Marina district ever opens to development we might see some changes but the height restrictions means the skyline from the south is set to become largely filled.

Originally Posted by cjreisen

Can someone post an update on those navy buildings near the water downtown? Curious what the demolition progress has been.

Scroll up a bit my friend