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Old Posted Apr 23, 2024, 12:13 AM
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Somewhat shocked That no one has leak the pictures
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Old Posted Apr 23, 2024, 12:52 AM
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Somewhat shocked That no one has leak the pictures
Maybe it’s the Lightfoot proposal?
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Old Posted Apr 23, 2024, 3:39 AM
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Maybe it’s the Lightfoot proposal?
No, that was a renovation of Soldier Field. All reports have said that the new plan would level the existing stadium down to some of its original parts so it would be a more open field I'm assuming and the new stadium will be located South of the exiting stadium. We'll just have to see what that all means on Wednesday.
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Old Posted Apr 23, 2024, 5:31 AM
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No, that was a renovation of Soldier Field. All reports have said that the new plan would level the existing stadium down to some of its original parts so it would be a more open field I'm assuming and the new stadium will be located South of the exiting stadium. We'll just have to see what that all means on Wednesday.
The more I read these Bears statements the less faith I have that they are going to put forth anything remotely sensible. The idea of tearing down Soldier Field to all but the studs and the colonnades would be a colossal waste of resources as well as be environmentally irresponsible.

Even though the west side of the Soldier Field makeover was awkward and ill-thought-out, the east side of the Soldier Field with the United Club and Skyboxes is arguably well-designed with premium features that could be reoriented to other civic uses be it a scaled-down soccer stadium or a large outdoor music amphitheater to replace Northerly Island.

A lot could be improved with Soldier Field just by tearing down the 400 Level on the West side, which would get rid of the UFO effect, and perhaps the removal of the 300 level on the north and south ends that could open up vistas to the city skyline and Field Museum. The removal of those upper seats would still allow for a capacity of 20-30k.

The above would certainly be an improvement over the hair-brained idea of leaving the Colonades while tearing the outer shell of Soldier Field and then laying Kentucky blue grass community soccer fields over a parking garage. The promised kids' soccer fields would likely be more expensive than any kids' soccer fields elsewhere by a factor of 100. Not to mention, the city will be asked to come back in 30 years and reinforce the underground garages for untold millions. Meanwhile, Bears fans would likely have even less tailgating than allowed currently in the process.
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Old Posted Apr 23, 2024, 7:41 PM
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No, that was a renovation of Soldier Field. All reports have said that the new plan would level the existing stadium down to some of its original parts so it would be a more open field I'm assuming and the new stadium will be located South of the exiting stadium. We'll just have to see what that all means on Wednesday.
This is the way to handle the existing SF. Keep the colonnades and south end horseshoe, prepare it to be a festival grounds with seating and amenities to relieve and reinforce the programming in Grant Park.
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^ The alternative at Arlington Park was a field of e-commerce warehouses. The grandstand structure is only useful for horse racing which is in steep decline as gambling-minded folks have many other ways to p*ss away their money nowadays.
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The grandstand structure is only useful for horse racing which is in steep decline as gambling-minded folks have many other ways to p*ss away their money nowadays.
And what a damn shame for casual gamblers like me who greatly enjoyed going out to Arlington once or twice a season to have some fun, soak in the sun, and watch the ponies run!

Casinos are obnoxious, and online gambling is just fucking sad.


Oh well, I'm officially old now.

New things are stupid.
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And what a damn shame for casual gamblers like me who greatly enjoyed going out to Arlington once or twice a season to have some fun, soak in the sun, and watch the ponies run!

Casinos are obnoxious, and online gambling is just fucking sad.


Oh well, I'm officially old now.

New things are stupid.
I agree - It was fun because it didn't necessitate sitting in front of a gambling machine for two hours wasting hundreds of dollars. You could sit outside, just put a couple dollars on a horse race, and enjoy cocktails. You didn't have to gamble to have a good time there.
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^ yeah, it was such a mellow way to fart away 50 bucks, and every once in a while maybe you'd hit a big trifecta and come home with an extra $50 or $100.

But it was always about the experience, not the money.

I probably liked it so much because I'm fundamentally not a gambler.

But if you make the experience fun and pleasant and enjoyable, like a summer afternoon at beautiful Arlington Park, I'm in!


Having said all that, I fully understand that the very casual know-nothings like me are NOT what kept Arlington in business.

Oh well.

Time matches on.

Back to the stupid bears.

Sometimes, old things are stupid too.
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Get the popcorn ready.....

https://www.chicagotribune.com/2024/...-stadium-plan/

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The sources said the Bears plan to pledge $2.3 billion, which includes some financing through the NFL. But the Bears’ plan includes an additional $2.3 billion in public financing, along with refinancing outstanding debt for prior publicly financed stadium projects for the Bears and White Sox, according to the sources.
Also worth noting....

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The 2% hotel tax has fallen far short of paying off the existing debt. As a result, taxpayers still owe $629 million for past renovations of Soldier Field and Guaranteed Rate Field, whose occupants, the White Sox, also are seeking a new stadium in the South Loop.
So - The Bears want $2.3 billion in public dollars, maintaining we won't need to raise the 2% hotel tax..... Even though that still hasn't paid off the past Bears/Sox work.

I would love nothing more than to see a beautiful new stadium rise on the lakefront, but not with this voodoo magic bullshit accounting. The previous reporting made alluded to the stadium only costing a couple billion as that's the number the NFL was saying they would throw behind it.

The previous reporting on this made it sound like the NFL would pay for the stadium construction, with the public on the hook for public infrastructure around/connected to the stadium. However - This article is saying the Bears are only putting $2.3 billion up with the stadium costing $3.2 billion.

I'm ok with public infrastructure spending, but the Bears should be on the hook for every penny of the $3.2 billion.
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How exactly are they getting to $1.5B in infrastructure, when the new stadium will sit next to the existing one which already works just fine? They probably need to move some of the roads in the area around the new stadium footprint, and redo some of the park space like the sledding hill. Crain's has $300M for that work, which makes more sense based on the recent infra costs around the Obama Center.

The new station will also end up closer to 2200S than 1200S, so if you want to ride the L to the game it will be better to ride the Green Line to Cermak-McCormick than to go to Roosevelt. Still a pretty long walk, though...
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That looks fucking terrible..not the flex the firm thinks it is.
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Yeah, WTF is that?????

Soldier Field I: a handsome neoclassical stadium

Soldier Field II: the mothership has landed

Soldier Field III: the mothership dropped acid
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Yeah, WTF is that?????

Soldier Field I: a handsome neoclassical stadium

Soldier Field II: the mothership has landed

Soldier Field III: the mothership dropped acid

Dropped acid with Busch Stadium. Did shrooms with Montreal Olympic Stadium.
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That looks fucking terrible..not the flex the firm thinks it is.
Agreed!
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oh wait i thought that was the real real proposal

still this is all so very dumb

theres nothing wrong with the existing field.

bears can pay for whatever they want out of their own pockets. move to mars, do whatever you want. no more taxpayer money.
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When is the press announcement happening today?
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When is the press announcement happening today?
Noon?
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