WINNIPEG| The Exchange District |Market Lands Redevelopment

[buzzg]

That plan for Marketlands sounds fantastic to me. Very curious to see how the funding and management of the amenity spaces is handled, as that's neither CV's nor the BIZ's mandate to run art spaces.

Also really happy to see that of the winning proposal, only the market design was kept. The private development area has very different shaped buildings, so looks like they'll go with proper design that orients to the street.

Also very curious about the U of M connection. If the design programs there are going to be heavily involved, sure would be a pain in the ass to come frequently from the main campus... Wonder if some will move, or if there's potential for collaboration with RRC?

[optimusREIM]

Originally Posted by buzzg

That plan for Marketlands sounds fantastic to me. Very curious to see how the funding and management of the amenity spaces is handled, as that's neither CV's nor the BIZ's mandate to run art spaces.

Also really happy to see that of the winning proposal, only the market design was kept. The private development area has very different shaped buildings, so looks like they'll go with proper design that orients to the street.

My one major criticism of their proposal is that the proposed market space is very small. I think it would be really nice if it could actually function as a public market, which would require quite a bit more space. Maybe that could be in the cards for the northern portion of the site?

[Wolf13]

I'm not anti-arts but I get skeptical when such developments are so pro-art. While it is further north than preferred business spots in the exchange, it's not far from RRC.

I just don't want our city to prop up a neat idea that doesn't garner traffic when perhaps business could be doing a better job of generating activity.

That's just my fear.

[trueviking]

Originally Posted by buzzg

I completely agree TV.

If RRC has a plan or need imminent, great. If not, let the open market take a stab at it. That being said, with the RRC innovation centre now above ground, the college could very well already have a plan for its next move in the Exchange. It's not like this land becoming available is a surprise. With Elgin set to become closed off to create more of a campus feel, a building across Princess would be a smart play.

Whatever happens I hope to hell that aside from the market, the rest of the Marketlands plan is completely scrapped and the buildings are developed to front onto King and Princess. I'm very nervous.

The buildings to the north are just placeholders representing the different parcels that it can be broken into. I agree. I hope they have strong street edge in the end.

[peg]

Originally Posted by buzzg

That plan for Marketlands sounds fantastic to me. Very curious to see how the funding and management of the amenity spaces is handled, as that's neither CV's nor the BIZ's mandate to run art spaces.

Also really happy to see that of the winning proposal, only the market design was kept. The private development area has very different shaped buildings, so looks like they'll go with proper design that orients to the street.

Also very curious about the U of M connection. If the design programs there are going to be heavily involved, sure would be a pain in the ass to come frequently from the main campus... Wonder if some will move, or if there's potential for collaboration with RRC?

I doubt they'd move an entire studio downtown, but they do have first year workshops downtown for a few weeks (when I went it was in the former Hut K on princess), maybe int he future they would integrate it more deeply with this space.

I think what is most likely is that some studios will exhibit work there. some of the projects we do are imagining Winnipeg in new ways so I could see that being displayed to help further design engagement. I know already that one of the interior design studios actually used an imaginary version of this space as there project.

[GarryEllice]

Originally Posted by Wolf13

I'm not anti-arts but I get skeptical when such developments are so pro-art. While it is further north than preferred business spots in the exchange, it's not far from RRC.

I just don't want our city to prop up a neat idea that doesn't garner traffic when perhaps business could be doing a better job of generating activity.

That's just my fear.

The arts stuff is on the southern third of the site, which is under a caveat that requires it to have a public use. The rest of the site is marked for private development, so plenty of space for business to flex its muscles.

[Wolf13]

Originally Posted by GarryEllice

The arts stuff is on the southern third of the site, which is under a caveat that requires it to have a public use. The rest of the site is marked for private development, so plenty of space for business to flex its muscles.

I read too quickly.

Not smart to squeeze my SSP fix in between meetings :p

Thx!

[buzzg]

Would be nice to raise the intersection of William and King, so there's a really good/cool built-in ability to connect OMS and NMS (I have dubbed this New Market Square) for large events and festivals, when King is often closed anyway.

[optimusREIM]

Originally Posted by buzzg

Would be nice to raise the intersection of William and King, so there's a really good/cool built-in ability to connect OMS and NMS (I have dubbed this New Market Square) for large events and festivals, when King is often closed anyway.

They should just raise king from bannatyne to william and then raise william along the length of that block too for even more integration

[borkborkbork]

Originally Posted by buzzg

If not, let the open market take a stab at it.

I thought what led to this mess was that there were some sorts of conditions placed on the transfer of the land by the Ross family to the city in the 1800s. The city only gets to keep it if it's for public use.

[borkborkbork]

This will sound terrible, but will 100+ Manitoba Housing units atop the Market Lands site make the adjoining northern site less appealing for development?

Is this how public housing is still built these days -- a single large building with all subsidized housing? I thought the trend was toward mixed-use and mixed-income housing. Perhaps impossible given the restrictions on the land?

[Wpg_Guy]

Originally Posted by borkborkbork

I thought what led to this mess was that there were some sorts of conditions placed on the transfer of the land by the Ross family to the city in the 1800s. The city only gets to keep it if it's for public use.

Only for the the southern part of the site the northern portion will be developed privately, that could include RRC should they put forth a bid once the RFP is issued.

[Pinus]

Originally Posted by borkborkbork

This will sound terrible, but will 100+ Manitoba Housing units atop the Market Lands site make the adjoining northern site less appealing for development?

It honestly sounds like the potential creation of a new inner city ghetto.

[Labroco]

I don’t see the report on Centreventures.com or marketlands.ca

Where is it found pls?

[Wpg_Guy]

Originally Posted by Labroco

I don’t see the report on Centreventures.com or marketlands.ca

Where is it found pls?

https://www.scribd.com/document/4137...-Lands-Project

[Wpg_Guy]

Originally Posted by borkborkbork

This will sound terrible, but will 100+ Manitoba Housing units atop the Market Lands site make the adjoining northern site less appealing for development?

Is this how public housing is still built these days -- a single large building with all subsidized housing? I thought the trend was toward mixed-use and mixed-income housing. Perhaps impossible given the restrictions on the land?

It’s not Manitoba Housing, no where is it mentioned that they are involved. It’s affordable housing, it wouldn’t be dissimilar to the UofW Commons. The application process I’m sure will be restrictive limiting the units to artists and possibly students (of RRC) maybe new immigrant groups, I don’t see that as a bad thing. If the development to the north has market rate rentals then this is truly a mixed use mixed income development.

[Labroco]

Originally Posted by Wpg_Guy

https://www.scribd.com/document/4137...-Lands-Project

I hit the hyperlink and was not redirected...

What webpage is it located on pls?

[Wpg_Guy]

Originally Posted by Labroco

I hit the hyperlink and was not redirected...

What webpage is it located on pls?

It’s on the city of Winnipeg site

http://clkapps.winnipeg.ca/DMIS/View...1&isMobile=yes

[EdwardTH]

Originally Posted by Wpg_Guy

It’s not Manitoba Housing, no where is it mentioned that they are involved. It’s affordable housing, it wouldn’t be dissimilar to the UofW Commons. The application process I’m sure will be restrictive limiting the units to artists and possibly students (of RRC) maybe new immigrant groups, I don’t see that as a bad thing. If the development to the north has market rate rentals then this is truly a mixed use mixed income development.

yeah that's what I had thought it was, which should be fine. There's tons of non-profit housing in the city that doesn't have the same problems MB Housing does. Who knows why? I assume a private non-profit can be more selective in their tenants and has more ability to evict people but that's just speculation.

[buzzg]

Posted this in the Exchange thread, maybe better here:

Part of me wishes the city would do something revolutionary and consider building a new park/stage on the Marketlands site, and move the new market/art centre proposal to OMS. I would just love to see some monumental change to how Bijou Park/OMS/Marketlands are planned and used. The Cube seems really poorly located now as it blocks off all of OMS from Marketlands. It's even worse during festivals as it's all backstage loading and toilets behind it.

This thought was stemming from the fact that Jazz Fest, Fringe and others are bursting at the seams for capacity at busy times now. Nuit Blanche as well was chaotic.