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Originally Posted by Tacheguy
Double standard? Are you kidding me? Did you notice the criticism aimed at Obama over the years or the hate for Clinton? This shit goes both ways and always has.
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Well, being across the border, that's far less applicable, but Obama gets a local and global love-in from nearly everyone. Sure people don't like him also, and that's fine. He definitely skips by.
Clinton? Which president has been more loved since Clinton? Perhaps Obama. Not Bush nor Trump. Furthermore, not only could he screw as he pleases and keep his job, he could also screw as he pleases while his wife nearly takes office.
You can't claim any hate against Clinton when his wife almost takes office.
Unless you're talking about Hillary. What's to like? Seriously... she's as corrupt as they come, funds repressive regimes and gets rich over it. For talking.
If nothing cearly emerges from this, it's a different country altogether.
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Originally Posted by biguc
Yep. It just happens that in this province the NDP are first to sharpen their knives and the last to admit any fault from their own. Look at how Pat Martin used to carry on. He never drunkenly beat the shit out of a cab driver (that we know of) but he was not the messianic-if-flawed figure his supporters made him out to be.
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I have yet to meet one person who had met Pat Martin that had a nice thing to say about him.
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Originally Posted by windypeg
Interestingly, I've seen a lot of progressives saying things in Wab's defence that are the exact same types of things that they vilified people for saying in defence of Ghomeshi not that long ago. There is definitely a double standard.
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Although I don't think you're inferring that Ghomeshi is conservative but yes, there are double standards... one is a media star, and has "male non-white money privilege", and oh shit, the other is the guy running the party that hates the first guy. Of course they have to cover their tracks, because it's not like they're ever going to be conservative capitalists and the provincial libs aren't really a thing. Rana Bokhari wasn't the hero needed to usurp the grasp the NDP has on the left in Manitoba, but damn did she get dragged through the mad for literally no reason.
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Originally Posted by rrskylar
The only double standard that exists is that Kinew is given the benefit of doubt from the clueless hypocritical left because of what and who he supposedly represents.
Had Kinew and his baggage been trying to run for the cons. Or had been elected leader of a right of centre political party he would have been torn apart by the media. Apparently a criminal past, misogynistic views and abuse of the opposite sex is okay with those on the left as long as the person represents your interests.
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Originally Posted by The Unknown Poster
Rap? What are you talking about? Was he rapping when he attacked and beat a cab driver? Was he rapping when he verbally assaulted the cabbie with racist insults? Was he rapping when he attacked his then-girlfriend numerous times? Was he rapping when he threatened to throw her off the balcony? Was he rapping when he lied about this just days ago? Was he rapping when when he made all those "off colour" jokes on twitter?
Breaking this down to a guy playing a rap character is really not accurate and downplays the seriousness. Being stupid in your youth might be an excuse to a certain point...but what age is it not an excuse? 25? 30? Making excuses for abusers is the opposite of what we should be doing.
Imagine if just ONE of these accusations was made against Pallister. The NDP would organize a fire & pitchforks mob to march all the way down to Costa Rica and force his resignation.
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Well, most of his bullshit stems from his rap "career", at least publicly. Because of identity politics. I'm sure you could gather, based on my post, that I was primarily talking about his music. Beyond that, I only knew about the cab incident. Unjustifiable, but not what my post was about.
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Originally Posted by drew
The bolded are allegations, and IMO cannot and should not be used against Kinew as:
1) the charges were dropped
2) only one side of the story has come to light,
3) story so far is from 3rd hand people who were not present when the alleged assault occurred.
Let's stick to the facts, as there are still plenty - and leave the Kinew's public trial and conviction on the dropped assault charges to the FP.
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When you're running for public office, hell yes you can use that. Those are big accusations. When it comes to selecting a leader, if I was among the NDP, I'd say "yeah we can't spin this enough to make it work".
Gord Steeves wife's comments about being harrassed by drunken natives killed his mayoral bid. True comments.
Let that sink in. Women's safety concerns were trumped by the mere inclusion of race, despite the fact that she was harassed. That's far more removed from Steeves or even indecency than the allegations Wab faces, true or not.
Steeves is conservative though...
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Originally Posted by Tacheguy
my problem with Wab is that he denies doing what his accuser said. I think he did it and I would respect him if he came clean. even vote for him maybe. I think Melissa Martin had a great article about the situation a few days back.
He hasn't been convicted it is true, but I just don't believe him.
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well of course he'll deny it, because he could go to jail...