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Old Posted May 4, 2010, 3:29 PM
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I like it, but for some reason I think it'd be best in Dubai.
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This was a great building that never got built. First time I'm looking/posting anything in this thread. I think Kohn Penderson Fox did a great job, not just on this but many others that never got built. If the current 383 Madison Ave has a great crown imagine what kind lighting/crown this would've had. BTW can't they build it a block south at the hotel site, or anywhere N,E,or W. It would've also had a killer view.

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For some reason, it reminds me of Barad-dûr.
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Old Posted Feb 4, 2012, 12:51 AM
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This building is beyond awesome. I'm covering it heavily in my thread "What if names like Larkin, Metlife, and Travelstead were synonymous with NYC?". This building is THAT good that I can't stop covering it (it has THREE parts in the thread).
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I have just come across this thread, and the first time I saw this tower. This picture is fantastic. And goes to show what a true shame it is this building never got planning permission to be constructed.
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This building's design is the child of the Empire State Building and the Transamerica Pyramid. It's a shame that it was never built.
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Old Posted Feb 4, 2012, 2:38 AM
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Sadly I read that Kohn Pedersen Fox only has two successes in NYC. That is the two Hudson Yard towers, and that is it. Such a good company and such a jinx for them.
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Sadly I read that Kohn Pedersen Fox only has two successes in NYC. That is the two Hudson Yard towers, and that is it. Such a good company and such a jinx for them.
Define 'success'?

KPF has done some very nice buildings in the city.

125 East 57th Street isn't a 'success'? It's one of the most distinctive corner towers in the city.

ABC complex?
180 East 70th Street?
745 Seventh Avenue?
712 Fifth Avenue?
505 Fifth Avenue?
Shearson Lehman?
Moynihan Courthouse?
One Jackson Square?
1055 Park Avenue?
Buildings at NYU and CUNY?
Baruch College?
The MoMA renovations?

This is a worldwide firm less than 40 years old that has done plenty of work in NYC. Or is this just about supertalls?

Personally I like only some their projects (maybe 40%), but to argue that they have not been successful in NYC is a bit uninformed.
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Old Posted Feb 5, 2012, 5:20 AM
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^ Their headquarters are in NYC. But success as in you see a building and you automatically know the architect. Like Time Warner Center- SOM. Chrysler Building- William Van Allen. Hearst Tower- Norman Foster. NY Times Building- Renzo Piano. That type of success.
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You realize that 3 of those 4 architects you listed don't (didn't) have their world headquarters in NYC right? Childs is an NYC guy though (by way of DC).

KPF has plenty of signature towers around the world to more than make up for some perceived lack of one in NYC.

Shanghai World Financial Center anyone?

BTW, count me in the camp that is glad that Travelstead wasn't built. Nice proportions, but really odd massings and overly fussy (typical of many of the KPF towers of that era).
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This tower is sweet. Only changes I would make would be to make it taller as it is such a good design- maybe 1500 ft or so.

Another change that might be neat would be gargoyle/eagle type protrusions at the very top sides of the tower- similar to the Chrysler, the tower in Fritz Lang's Metropolis and the Ziggurrat tower in the 2000 anime Metropolis.

What really stinks is that designs for cancelled projects are never used again -its a damn shame.
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Old Posted Feb 5, 2012, 8:37 PM
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Define 'success'?

KPF has done some very nice buildings in the city.

125 East 57th Street isn't a 'success'? It's one of the most distinctive corner towers in the city.

ABC complex?
180 East 70th Street?
745 Seventh Avenue?
712 Fifth Avenue?
505 Fifth Avenue?
Shearson Lehman?
Moynihan Courthouse?
One Jackson Square?
1055 Park Avenue?
Buildings at NYU and CUNY?
Baruch College?
The MoMA renovations?

This is a worldwide firm less than 40 years old that has done plenty of work in NYC. Or is this just about supertalls?

Personally I like only some their projects (maybe 40%), but to argue that they have not been successful in NYC is a bit uninformed.
I was talking mostly about their skyscrapers. They haven't had much success with skyscrapers in this city.
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You realize that 3 of those 4 architects you listed don't (didn't) have their world headquarters in NYC right? Childs is an NYC guy though (by way of DC).
So what. I didn't say anything about the 4 architects having headquarters in NYC. I used them as an example, and the success they've had in NYC.
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This tower is sweet. Only changes I would make would be to make it taller as it is such a good design- maybe 1500 ft or so.

Another change that might be neat would be gargoyle/eagle type protrusions at the very top sides of the tower- similar to the Chrysler, the tower in Fritz Lang's Metropolis and the Ziggurrat tower in the 2000 anime Metropolis.

What really stinks is that designs for cancelled projects are never used again -its a damn shame.
If an architect wanted to finish or do a project in a vision similar to what was thought of before, maybe they could. I would want this tower to be taller than the Chrysler,but not too high so that the latter still has an influence in the area. And with the rezoning of Midtown East coming soon, we have a better chance of seeing another supertall in the area.
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What really stinks is that designs for cancelled projects are never used again -its a damn shame.
There's at least one project that escaped this fate. Jahn reused his design for the canceled Bank of the Southwest Tower in Houston for Liberty Plaza in Philadelphia.
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Old Posted Feb 8, 2012, 3:27 AM
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Only if there was NO zoning, then the sky would REALLY be the limit.
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I like it it would have had a great impact on the park avenue boxes
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It sucks this was never built. Would have been the greatest tower of the postmodern era in NYC.
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