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Old Posted Feb 8, 2019, 9:41 PM
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How is it apples and oranges exactly? Its not confined within the old Brewery. The new Credit Human building was not part of the brewery. The new apartment building on Newell is outside the old brewery. The land they own across the river was not part of the old brewery. Also not sure why any of that matters? Grey Star is dealing with a pretty big chunk of land. Not as big as the Pearl, but big enough to where they're basically building a small neighborhood.

I did not demand a replication of the Pearl. To the extent I'm demanding anything, it's the use of the type of architectural language that the new buildings at the Pearl use. Arcades. The light colored brick. Etc. I would have the same criticism of the 1603 Broadway project, but that sort of thing is trickier to pull off in a high rise.

And for the record, it's not completely a blank slate, they're retaining that old one story commercial building next to 1800 Broadway at the corner of Pearl Pwky and the Pearl Pwky extension. Kudos to them for keeping it. It would be nice if they kept the old school on the site as well, but it may be past saving given the way SAISD treats its real estate.
Silver Ventures had a framework to work with in regards to architectural styles and themes. GrayStreet has much less of a framework to work with not are they simply going to match the Pearl as they are a separate entity and as such want to separate themselves from Silver Ventures.

Their goal is to build a much more modern development within the urban core. You have all the right in the world to dislike the Gensler masterplan, but as I said, you should wait until the final product is revealed instead of finding fault in a theoretical.
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Wow, I go away for a few hours and you guys pig out on me. On that note, I encourage you to look again.

Google satellite view of the Pig Stand:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Sa...!4d-98.4936282

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Old Posted Feb 9, 2019, 2:27 AM
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And for the record, it's not completely a blank slate, they're retaining that old one story commercial building next to 1800 Broadway at the corner of Pearl Pwky and the Pearl Pwky extension. Kudos to them for keeping it. It would be nice if they kept the old school on the site as well, but it may be past saving given the way SAISD treats its real estate.
I'm pretty sure I remember reading that they're keeping the school building too, and I think it's visible on the rendering.
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Old Posted Feb 11, 2019, 12:33 AM
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Looks like there's going to be a "there" there soon enough.

Any shots from the Tower lately?
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Silver Ventures had a framework to work with in regards to architectural styles and themes. GrayStreet has much less of a framework to work with not are they simply going to match the Pearl as they are a separate entity and as such want to separate themselves from Silver Ventures.

Their goal is to build a much more modern development within the urban core. You have all the right in the world to dislike the Gensler masterplan, but as I said, you should wait until the final product is revealed instead of finding fault in a theoretical.
Couldn't agree with this more. While I guess it's noble to try to incorporate local design into developments, we have plenty of buildings making those efforts, but few modern buildings to boast. One of the things I love most about SA is that we have retained so much of our historic architecture. It's truly amazing.

But at the same time, I'm pleased that a modern development is being proposed for this site. I think it comes off as kitschy when you try too hard to design historic-ish structures. Yes, you should nod to them and respect them, but the Graystreet development is pretty much a blank slate right now, so there's not a lot to nod to... And nodding to the aesthetics of their competition (The Pearl) seems illogical to me.

While it's not saying anything really revelatory in its design, it's unlike anything we have in San Antonio today, so I think that's something to celebrate.
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As someone who has experience in working in architecture firms and producing renderings, I would wager that the massing shown in the rendering represents the Pig Stand and surrounding buildings. It is relatively the same width and length. This block doesn't appear to be part of the master plan. Otherwise, I don't see why they wouldn't densify it insetad of planning for two small low density buildings. The Pig Stand *is* without doubt a San ANtonio institution and I think planners, especially if they are local or working with local architects and planners, would be aware of that.
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Couldn't agree with this more. While I guess it's noble to try to incorporate local design into developments, we have plenty of buildings making those efforts, but few modern buildings to boast. One of the things I love most about SA is that we have retained so much of our historic architecture. It's truly amazing.

But at the same time, I'm pleased that a modern development is being proposed for this site. I think it comes off as kitschy when you try too hard to design historic-ish structures. Yes, you should nod to them and respect them, but the Graystreet development is pretty much a blank slate right now, so there's not a lot to nod to... And nodding to the aesthetics of their competition (The Pearl) seems illogical to me.

While it's not saying anything really revelatory in its design, it's unlike anything we have in San Antonio today, so I think that's something to celebrate.
They could do what Pearl did and pay homage to the Pig Stand. It would be pretty awesome.

San Antonio could have The Pearl and The Pig.


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According to BCAD the property where Pig Stand is owned by an individual, not GreyStreet. It doesn't show a deed chain, so I'm guessing it's the operator of the restaurant that owns it. It would be really strange for a developer to create a plan for a property they don't own.... right? Of course the valuation of that property has nearly tripled in 4 years so who knows how long the Pig Stand will be able to operate if the value/taxes keeps rising.
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SAHA planning 200-unit Tampico Lofts



https://saheron.com/saha-planning-20...ear-west-side/
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Old Posted Feb 14, 2019, 1:35 AM
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^^ Ugh. Looks like an apartment building I lived in in Austin 30 years ago... and it was 20 years old at the time.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Au...!4d-97.7430608
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Old Posted Feb 14, 2019, 4:07 AM
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It’s low income housing by SAHA. The design was never going to be earth shattering.
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It’s low income housing by SAHA. The design was never going to be earth shattering.
It's half market rate, half 80% median income, according to the article.

This development is directly across the highway from the Cevallos project on San Pedro Creek. It's not pretty but I'm happy to see any higher-density housing spreading across the interstate.
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This is a bit out of left field, but was the church that was thinking to sell land for redevelopment the First Presbyterian Church on McCullough Ave and Ave E? And were they thinking to sell the large surface parking lot that they own across the street? If so, that lot would have huge potential for a quality development that could bring more residential units and hopefully some mixed-use to blur the line between River North and Downtown.
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This article isn't exactly for UTSA but is very close by, and would add huge revitalization to this blighted area of the Westside. Happy to see Via incorporating transit-oriented development. Hope to see this approach more around the urban core and surrounding neighborhoods, bringing density and transit accessibility together to reduce car usage.

https://saheron.com/via-is-slowly-pr...redevelopment/
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This is a bit out of left field, but was the church that was thinking to sell land for redevelopment the First Presbyterian Church on McCullough Ave and Ave E? And were they thinking to sell the large surface parking lot that they own across the street? If so, that lot would have huge potential for a quality development that could bring more residential units and hopefully some mixed-use to blur the line between River North and Downtown.
No, it was Travis Park Methodist. I was hoping it was St Mark's Episcopal, because they were talking recently about developing their own large parking lots.
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Looks great. This area has great potential.
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This article isn't exactly for UTSA but is very close by, and would add huge revitalization to this blighted area of the Westside. Happy to see Via incorporating transit-oriented development. Hope to see this approach more around the urban core and surrounding neighborhoods, bringing density and transit accessibility together to reduce car usage.

https://saheron.com/via-is-slowly-pr...redevelopment/
That sounds promising. I hope they do it well.
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Looks like some of the Flasher property, next to the Pearl, is getting developed soon.

https://therivardreport.com/proposed...d-use-project/


“There are a lot of multifamily projects going on with no retail space or coffee shops,” Doege said. “If you live in a city, wouldn’t you like to have some retail spaces nearby and available? That was a focus of the neighborhood, and [PSW’s project] was welcomed versus just trying to put as many units on a piece of land as possible.”
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What's the yellow crane for on the northeast side of Tobin? You can see it in the Frost northeast view.

https://app.oxblue.com/open/kdc/frostbank
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