HomeDiagramsDatabaseMapsForum About
     

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Regional Sections > Canada > Manitoba & Saskatchewan


Reply

 
Thread Tools Display Modes
     
     
  #1341  
Old Posted Mar 30, 2008, 10:07 PM
LilZebra LilZebra is offline
Orig. frm Alpha Pectaurus
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Assiniboia, Man.
Posts: 2,873
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Jabroni View Post
Unfortunately...

I just hope that people like us would protest and slam this project together. Unfortunately, TPTB doesn't agree.
What is TPTB?

I'm sorry you lost me there.

I know TGCTS (The Great Canadian Talk Show, which has said a lot about the Fort issue), and I know FUFG ("Friends" of Upper Fort Garry).... But what is the acronym that you used?
__________________
Buh-bye
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1342  
Old Posted Mar 30, 2008, 10:41 PM
nordique's Avatar
nordique nordique is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 263
i think it means "the powers that be".
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1343  
Old Posted Mar 30, 2008, 11:29 PM
The Jabroni's Avatar
The Jabroni The Jabroni is offline
Go kicky fast, okay!
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Winnipeg, Donut Dominion
Posts: 3,022
Quote:
Originally Posted by jimj_wpg View Post
What is TPTB?

I'm sorry you lost me there.

I know TGCTS (The Great Canadian Talk Show, which has said a lot about the Fort issue), and I know FUFG ("Friends" of Upper Fort Garry).... But what is the acronym that you used?
The Powers That Be.
__________________
Back then, I used to be indecisive.

Now, I'm not so sure.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1344  
Old Posted Mar 30, 2008, 11:42 PM
Andy6's Avatar
Andy6 Andy6 is offline
Starring as himself
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Toronto Yorkville
Posts: 9,739
Quote:
Originally Posted by viperred88 View Post


I am hoping they don't use that glass walls idea I would rather have imprints in the stone walls.

It seems to me our present gate has wooden wooden why was altered from the stone that part I don't get. It the pic here all the walls look like to be made of stone.
The picture is of the south end of the fort. The northern half, which the surviving gate was part of, was added later and was less elaborate. I don't know if the walls were wooden. The wooden walls that are there now were added in the 1970s in a previous effort to improve the parkette.
__________________
crispy crunchy light and snappy
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1345  
Old Posted Mar 31, 2008, 1:55 AM
newflyer's Avatar
newflyer newflyer is offline
Capitalist
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Calgary
Posts: 5,086
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spocket View Post
^Uh...that ship just sailed.
Well I beleve Crystal said they'd focus on a new development on the Sterling Lyon Parkway. .. you know the SW, where people embrace new development.

Another lost opportunity for downtown. Hope the NDP enjoy that new park... surrounded by other parks.
__________________
Check out my city at
http://www.allwinnipeg.com **More than Ever**
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1346  
Old Posted Mar 31, 2008, 1:58 AM
Spocket's Avatar
Spocket Spocket is offline
Back from the dead
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Edmonton
Posts: 3,523
^Yeah, unless they propose something that is too out of scale for the fields it'll be surrounded by. Then somebody will probably come along and claim it will make the place look too much like Manhattan.
__________________
Giving you a reason to drink and drive since 1975.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1347  
Old Posted Mar 31, 2008, 2:01 AM
newflyer's Avatar
newflyer newflyer is offline
Capitalist
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Calgary
Posts: 5,086
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spocket View Post
^Yeah, unless they propose something that is too out of scale for the fields it'll be surrounded by. Then somebody will probably come along and claim it will make the place look too much like Manhattan.
Yeah .. cuz Winnipeg and Manhattan are too often confused as it is.
__________________
Check out my city at
http://www.allwinnipeg.com **More than Ever**
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1348  
Old Posted Mar 31, 2008, 2:03 AM
rgalston's Avatar
rgalston rgalston is offline
Density and complexity
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Parish of St. John
Posts: 2,644
Quote:
Originally Posted by j.online View Post
I would love for someone in the media to publish what this deal is really about: phase 2 the Manitoba Club's "Building Traditions" renovation plans.

Here's part of phase 1's renovations:


And quoted from their website (full text here):


why would anyone want a high-rise apartment with its pesky inhabitants looking down on our rooftop patio, when you could have an unimpeded view of the river forest with your very own world-class backyard.

i hope the curling club sticks it to 'em and holds out for millions.
Gary Hildeman said at the Fort Garry Hotel on Friday that the reason they didn't want the apartment built adjacent to the site was because of shadows it would cast on their wished-for park. Plus, the balconies, "with the smells of barbeques, and the sounds of people yelling at their kids..."
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1349  
Old Posted Mar 31, 2008, 2:07 AM
Spocket's Avatar
Spocket Spocket is offline
Back from the dead
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Edmonton
Posts: 3,523
Quote:
Originally Posted by rgalston View Post
Gary Hildeman said at the Fort Garry Hotel on Friday that the reason they didn't want the apartment built adjacent to the site was because of shadows it would cast on their wished-for park. Plus, the balconies, "with the smells of barbeques, and the sounds of people yelling at their kids..."
Ha ha ha ! That's pretty much the epitome of what I feel our city 'leaders' must think. Good thing we've got friends like this in charge of this town. We might actually get somewhere otherwise.
__________________
Giving you a reason to drink and drive since 1975.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1350  
Old Posted Mar 31, 2008, 2:18 AM
newflyer's Avatar
newflyer newflyer is offline
Capitalist
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Calgary
Posts: 5,086
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spocket View Post
Ha ha ha ! That's pretty much the epitome of what I feel our city 'leaders' must think. Good thing we've got friends like this in charge of this town. We might actually get somewhere otherwise.
Perhaps the city should stipulate on there website that only undesirable lots in the downtown as acceptable for development, unless of course you are linked to the government. It makes me sick.

Than people wonder why developers refuse to consider downtown.. Gosh..
__________________
Check out my city at
http://www.allwinnipeg.com **More than Ever**
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1351  
Old Posted Mar 31, 2008, 3:07 AM
furiousmcd's Avatar
furiousmcd furiousmcd is offline
Oppressive optimism
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Winnipeg
Posts: 44
Quote:
Originally Posted by newflyer View Post
Perhaps the city should stipulate on there website that only undesirable lots in the downtown as acceptable for development, unless of course you are linked to the government. It makes me sick.

Than people wonder why developers refuse to consider downtown.. Gosh..
If it makes you sick then you can imagine how it feels for those of us who have to live through agony like this nearly every day.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1352  
Old Posted Mar 31, 2008, 3:46 AM
nordique's Avatar
nordique nordique is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 263
Quote:
Originally Posted by rgalston View Post
Gary Hildeman said at the Fort Garry Hotel on Friday that the reason they didn't want the apartment built adjacent to the site was because of shadows it would cast on their wished-for park. Plus, the balconies, "with the smells of barbeques, and the sounds of people yelling at their kids..."
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1353  
Old Posted Mar 31, 2008, 3:51 AM
nordique's Avatar
nordique nordique is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 263
living in this city is quite the roller coaster ride. a really boring one that goes nowhere.

a few months ago i was really pumped and optimistic, that things were looking up for winnipeg. now i'm completely bummed and pessimistic, and that potential move to toronto in a couple years is looking more and more appealing.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1354  
Old Posted Mar 31, 2008, 4:13 AM
newflyer's Avatar
newflyer newflyer is offline
Capitalist
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Calgary
Posts: 5,086
Quote:
Originally Posted by furiousmcd View Post
If it makes you sick then you can imagine how it feels for those of us who have to live through agony like this nearly every day.

I agree... but being a Winnipeger at heart it is still fustrating.
__________________
Check out my city at
http://www.allwinnipeg.com **More than Ever**
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1355  
Old Posted Mar 31, 2008, 4:30 AM
The Jabroni's Avatar
The Jabroni The Jabroni is offline
Go kicky fast, okay!
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Winnipeg, Donut Dominion
Posts: 3,022
Quote:
Originally Posted by nordique View Post
I second that.
__________________
Back then, I used to be indecisive.

Now, I'm not so sure.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1356  
Old Posted Mar 31, 2008, 5:16 AM
Spocket's Avatar
Spocket Spocket is offline
Back from the dead
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Edmonton
Posts: 3,523
Hey Winnipeg !
[IMG] [/IMG]
__________________
Giving you a reason to drink and drive since 1975.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1357  
Old Posted Mar 31, 2008, 7:10 AM
furiousmcd's Avatar
furiousmcd furiousmcd is offline
Oppressive optimism
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Winnipeg
Posts: 44
Quote:
Originally Posted by nordique View Post
living in this city is quite the roller coaster ride. a really boring one that goes nowhere.
So I think Nordique is hilarious while also being very apt. Consider me a fan!
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1358  
Old Posted Mar 31, 2008, 7:26 AM
1ajs's Avatar
1ajs 1ajs is offline
ʇɥƃıuʞ -*ʞpʇ*-
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: lynn lake
Posts: 26,004
Quote:
Originally Posted by nordique View Post
living in this city is quite the roller coaster ride. a really boring one that goes nowhere.

a few months ago i was really pumped and optimistic, that things were looking up for winnipeg. now i'm completely bummed and pessimistic, and that potential move to toronto in a couple years is looking more and more appealing.
if anyone going to run in the next election nows the time to get yer name out there..... hint hint our current councle is a joke after spending a day there i am quite apaulled....

take a day just any random day sit there threw it all and see for yerself
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1359  
Old Posted Mar 31, 2008, 2:25 PM
wags_in_the_peg's Avatar
wags_in_the_peg wags_in_the_peg is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Posts: 3,334
here's SINCLAIR's article from Saturday. He says "Ruben is no hero". idiot, i think he is. this was a private guy that responded to the RFP and WON!!!

The true heroes in the Battle for Upper Fort Garry

IT came down to the 11th hour. Literally. But, in the end, it was one of our
finest.
I wasn't at the city hall news conference
late Friday afternoon to witness
developer Ruben Spletzer wave the
white flag on the battle of Upper Fort
Garry.
It was called on
such short notice I
couldn't get there.
But I can tell
you this.
Despite how he
presented himself
-- "as a good
citizen" making
his "contribution"
by giving up his
own dream for
the Friends of Upper Fort Garry's --
Ruben Spletzer is no hero.
At least not to me.
Just a week earlier he vehemently
declared a deal's a deal, and made
noises about suing the city at a council
session where Dan Vandal had introduced
a motion to let the Friends have
the entire site.
Including a corner parcel adjacent to
the fort's footprint that Spletzer would
have won the right to build on if the
Friends hadn't met the demands of a
March 30 deadline that included raising
$10 million in just three-and-a-half
months.

That's right, a March 30 deadline.
From what I'm told, the wording of
the Mayor Sam Katz-imposed deadline
declared the Friends had to meet all
the conditions prior to March 31.
That meant by Sunday midnight.
But given that confirmation had to
be delivered to the city's acting chief
administrative officer, the effective
deadline was on the last business day
before that.

Which made it Friday at 4:30 p.m.
Interestingly, it was within that 11th
hour that -- on less than an hour's
notice to the media -- Spletzer surrendered
the fort to the Friends.

Why did he do it?
Well, his telling of it suggested he
had an epiphany.

I'd suggest that it had more do to
with karma.
Spletzer had wanted to dig a hole and
plant an apartment tower in the face of
our history.

But the undoing of the "done deal"
-- as it was being portrayed last May
-- began with someone else digging a
hole that eventually buried his project.
It was a provincial heritage-required
archeological dig that forced the deal
to be revisited. The Friends now had
their second chance. A second chance
that came down to the last day.
Friday morning, Premier Gary Doer
had planned to officially announce
the city-owned land would become a
provincial park.
And the Friends had planned to
announce that -- with $3 million in
operating costs pledged by Doer over
20 years -- they had met the $10-million
target. Exceeded it, actually, because
David Chartrand, leader of the
Manitoba Métis Federation, delivered
a $1-million pledge at the lunch.
But Katz wasn't buying Doer's deal,
where operating funds suddenly became
capital, even though the province's
legal advisers, and the Friends
lawyers, advised it was legit.
I don't know if Doer had anything
to say to Katz or Spletzer Friday
morning. But one of his press people
sounded rather, shall we say, upbeat
when he returned my call to say the
premier had left on a vacation. But the
mayor and Spletzer were making an
announcement at 3:15 p.m.
By that time, I'd already heard from
NDP MP Pat Martin. He called early
that morning to say the deal Doer
thought he had when he left the office
Thursday had fallen through around
8 p.m.
But, Martin also suggested the
cavalry was on the way. Actually, this
time it was the Indians who were galloping
to the rescue of the fort.
Thursday, the Treaty One First
Nations delivered a letter to city hall
serving legal notice that, should the
Friends not receive what they are
asking for, they would see the city in
court.
"Treaty One First Nations understand
from bitter experience what
it means to be denied culture and
history," the letter went on to explain,
"and we support the efforts of the
settler community, represented by the
Friends of Upper Fort Garry, and the
Métis community... "
The pressure was mounting.
Then, at 2:40 p.m. on Friday, the
Friends hand-delivered a letter to city
hall stating they had met the city's
demands and the deadline.
Spletzer's news conference followed.
Coincidence? Maybe.
What there's no doubt about is who
the real heroes turned out to be.
At the lunch where he announced the
$1-million gift, Chartrand began by
honouring the elders in the room.
In the end, our heroes were our
elders, people like Jerry Gray, Harold
Buchwald, Bill Norrie, Bob Cunningham,
Otto Lang and, yes, Gary Filmon.
And of course, the late Peter Liba, who
first gathered the Friends.
They are the true heroes of the
Battle for Upper Fort Garry.
They, with a lot of help from a lot of
you, saved the land where the soul of
our province rests easier today.
And they never surrendered.

gordon.sinclair@freepress.mb
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1360  
Old Posted Mar 31, 2008, 6:25 PM
h0twired's Avatar
h0twired h0twired is offline
Dynamic Positivity!
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Winnipeg
Posts: 2,914
Winnipeg: One DUMB City
Reply With Quote
     
     
This discussion thread continues

Use the page links to the lower-right to go to the next page for additional posts
 
 
Reply

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Regional Sections > Canada > Manitoba & Saskatchewan
Forum Jump



Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 3:20 PM.

     
SkyscraperPage.com - Archive - Privacy Statement - Top

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.