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Old Posted Jul 17, 2020, 2:13 PM
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What aspect(s) of the Resolution are inappropriate?
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What aspect(s) of the Resolution are inappropriate?
The first point asking that they give more consideration to three suburban wards because they might gain more population over the next 6 years.

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The second point giving more representation per person to rural wards (as is currently the case).

If the number of wards remains the same, the inner-Greenbelt stands to lose representation in order to bolster the suburbs and rural areas. It does not take into consideration the workload of urban Councillors who have to deal with countless development proposals and infrastructure projects, all of the consultations that come with that, higher crime rates, noise complaints, and everything in between.
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And yet on another thread we're discussing how Ottawa can be more "lively". All while rural and suburban councilors run this town and work hard to make it more suburban every day. They are killing the potential of this city.
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The 17 ward option (9 urban, 6 suburban, 2 rural) is clearly the best. I'd even be OK with adding a 3rd rural (to balance it with 9 urban, 6 suburban, 3 rural = 18).

Adding more suburban wards at the expense of urban wards and maintaining the rural wards (to purportedly "balance" the population of the wards while retaining the wards with the greatest imbalance of all) is the worst possible outcome.
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The 17 ward option (9 urban, 6 suburban, 2 rural) is clearly the best. I'd even be OK with adding a 3rd rural (to balance it with 9 urban, 6 suburban, 3 rural = 18).

Adding more suburban wards at the expense of urban wards and maintaining the rural wards (to purportedly "balance" the population of the wards while retaining the wards with the greatest imbalance of all) is the worst possible outcome.
Smaller council = less accountability.
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Smaller council = less accountability.
Highly variable ward populations = inequitable democracy

If we want to promote an urban agenda, we need to sell it to ratepayers.
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Mike Harris' "legacy" poisoning the city's governance ever more after the fact...
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Mike Harris' "legacy" poisoning the city's governance ever more after the fact...
That legacy did not deliver the promised benefits and left an excessively large geographical area with a too centralized, out of touch, unresponsive and distant municipal government. Too many local decisions are made by councillors at the opposite end of the city.
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Highly variable ward populations = inequitable democracy
Also agree on that point.
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Old Posted Aug 19, 2020, 1:13 AM
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City adds sixth option for ward changes, public consultation starts Wednesday

Kelly Egan, Ottawa Citizen
Publishing date: Aug 18, 2020 • Last Updated 3 hours ago • 2 minute read




On the eve of a fresh round of public consultations, the city of Ottawa has added a sixth option for ward boundary changes.

So-called Option 6 adds one ward to the existing 23 in an effort to address a serious imbalance in the size of ward populations — one that will only get worse with rapid suburban growth.

The public is invited to comment online on the proposals beginning Wednesday and during six “virtual” meetings scheduled from Sep. 10 to Sept. 23, some with a specific focus. (Check ottawa.ca for details.)

The final option was added because councillors looked at the first five presented in July and wanted them tested against a number of criteria, some of which conflicted with each other.

A report to councillors said it cost $16,000 to draw up the new option.

In Option 6, the report mainly tries to fix the population imbalance in three high-growth wards: Barrhaven, Cumberland and Gloucester-South Nepean, while maintaining the identity of rural wards, not stealing from urban seats and trying to honour a council desire to hold the total at 23.

The imbalance is so great now that the most populous ward now has twice as many citizens as the smallest. This not only creates a work imbalance for councillors but threatens the constitutional principle of “voter parity” when a single councillor vote carries the same weight as any other.

The latest option proposes adding two new wards in the suburban areas in the south and east. It also suggests combining Osgoode, which is largely rural, with the rural section of Cumberland, as they are thought to have a “community of interests.” (Though it leaves a proposed ward with a land mass of 800 square kilometres, slightly bigger than today’s West Carleton-March.)

Option 6 leaves nine wards untouched. The target population in this plan for 2026 is an average of about 48,000, and the most populous ward would be 13 per cent higher, which is in the acceptable range consultants were aiming for (plus or minus 10 to 15 per cent from average.)

The current ward map was created for the 2006 municipal election, and the city hopes to have a new setup in place for at least three future elections, starting in 2022.

Currently, there are 12 urban wards, seven wards in the suburban area, three in the rural area and a final one, Cumberland, that has elements of both rural and suburban.

Consultants first came up with five options for the number of wards: 25 wards, 24 wards, two 23-ward options and a 17-ward option.

Of the 21 current council members who responded to an inquiry, 10 preferred the current number, eight indicated 24 or 25 wards, two said 19 wards or less and one said 21 or 22 wards.

A final report is scheduled for December.

The city has posted the full report with more details and maps on its project webpage.

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local...-35acfa54a796/
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Old Posted Aug 19, 2020, 3:10 AM
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Cumberland shrinks to become a new full suburban Ward, Osgood takes over the rural parts of Cumberland and a 24th Ward is added to the south end. We end up with a 12/12 split urban/exurban + the Mayor.

Current (2022) population split 560,396/519,759. That's 40,637, just short of an entire Ward that should be urban going to the exurbs.

Although I'm glad this option eliminates a rural Ward, the rural area is still over represented, West Carleton March in particular.

This law or guideline from the province that gives more representation to the rural areas is undemocratic. If anything, and I'm not advocating for this because it would also be undemocratic, urban areas would require more representation because the workload is far greater, with hundreds of development applications, more infrastructure projects, office space, higher crime rates, lower income areas, so on and so forth.

At the very least, urban Wards should get a larger budget for more staff, park improvements, road closures and other.
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The only change I would propose is split the rural area in two Wards, with the 416 as a dividing line. This would just about balance the population between the two at close to 50,000 a piece. Considering the workload for the two rural Wards are probably the lowest in the entire City (though the driving distance for events is longer), that seems fair.
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Survey is up: https://ottawa.ca/en/news/provide-yo...undary-options

Only three questions:
  1. What Ward do you currently live in;
  2. Rank the options;
  3. Would you propose any changes to your #1 option.

No space to comment on the reasoning for your preferred options. Seems to be a foregone conclusion that option 6 will be chosen.
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Survey is up: https://ottawa.ca/en/news/provide-yo...undary-options

Only three questions:
  1. What Ward do you currently live in;
  2. Rank the options;
  3. Would you propose any changes to your #1 option.

No space to comment on the reasoning for your preferred options. Seems to be a foregone conclusion that option 6 will be chosen.
Totally. I would wager a large sum of money that option 6 is a foregone conclusion.

It's amazing how the City of Ottawa operates. I do a lot of consultations in my day job and the one cardinal sin that we try never to do is consult on something that the decision is already a foregone conclusion or where the input won't be entertained or used in any way. The City of Ottawa almost seems to only consult on issues where the consultation doesn't matter or where the decision has already been taken, particularly if they can skew the consultation so as to guarantee the result that was already pre-ordained.

Think about the amount of wasted time in the urban boundary expansion. They already knew what they wanted to do because the suburban/exurban land speculators had already bought the results. Everything is little more than democracy theatre with this city council.

For what it's worth, I voted for the following options

Option 5 - 1st choice
Option 1 - 2nd choice
Option 2 - 3rd choice
Option 6 - 4th choice
Options 3 and 4 are just downright unacceptable. They shouldn't even be entertained they are so skewed against urban voices. Those two got last place and second-last place for me.
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My ranking was just about the same.
  1. Option 5. As I advanced before, Watson had promised to lower the size of Council back in 2010; Doug Ford forced Toronto to reduce the size of their Council just before the last election (if he wants to show he's not biased against TO City Council, he should do the same here); and most cities our population has far few Members on Council.
  2. Option 1. Maintains a better representation by population, with the urban area having a one seat edge, though I don't like the idea of expanding the size of Council.
  3. Option 6. Maintains most logical boundaries. A decent balance, though the suburbs edge the urban core with the Mayor.
  4. Option 2. Same balance, but the division of downtown Wards is odd.

Options 3 and 4 are unacceptable for the reasons you outlined.
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Cumberland residents fear 'giant' rural ward when map is redrawn
New boundaries would merge Cumberland's sprawling rural area with Osgoode ward

Kate Porter · CBC News
Posted: Sep 30, 2020 4:00 AM ET | Last Updated: 4 hours ago




Some residents of Ottawa's eastern-most ward say they're concerned their francophone and rural voices will be diluted if their ward is merged with neighbouring Osgoode when the city's electoral map is redrawn.

Candidates in the current Cumberland byelection confirm they're hearing from constituents about the city's ward boundary review, and its potential implications for the ward, while out knocking on doors.

Whoever wins the vote on Oct. 5 will likely be fighting for re-election to represent an area that looks very different in two years.

That's because all six boundary maps now on the table hive off the suburban Orléans portion of Cumberland ward so that it stands alone. Its rural swath would be merged with Osgoode ward to the southwest.

Not only would that reduce the number of rural representatives on council from four to three, but it would also leave one councillor to represent a "giant" or "mega" ward of more than 800 square kilometres, say those with deep ties to the existing community.

Linda Dunn pities the councillor who would have to represent a dozen rural villages and even more community associations, driving long distances between community events.

"Can you imagine the poor person who has to represent this? It defies logic," said Dunn, who was herself a councillor and deputy mayor in Cumberland Township prior to amalgamation.

Francophones also worry what it will mean if rural Cumberland is absorbed by its predominantly English-speaking neighbour, which includes the villages of Greely, Metcalfe and Osgoode.

"We will lose part of our voice in the community and before the City of Ottawa," said Caroline Etter, president of the Sarsfield Community Association, who said bilingual services in the city are already inadequate.

"It doesn't make any sense," agreed Francis Drouin, MP for Glengarry–Prescott–Russell.

Drouin notes municipal government is supposed to be the level closest to the people, but he doesn't see how such a large ward can properly represent villages like Navan or Sarsfield, or their rural, francophone voices.

The consultants had noted in August that a new Osgoode-Cumberland ward wouldn't be much bigger than existing West Carleton-March at 765 square kilometres, or Rideau-Goulbourn at 728 square kilometres.

Both Dunn and Etter are frustrated the city is looking at such sweeping changes during a pandemic, and when there's no sitting councillor to keep residents informed.

Consultations were held last winter, but seven of the nine in-person sessions were cancelled when COVID-19 quickly shut down gatherings in March. Six meetings held this month were done by video, which critics say didn't suit rural residents with poor internet connections.

However, the consultants reviewing Ottawa's ward boundaries said they had an "excellent" response rate from Cumberland residents to both the sessions and a survey.

Cumberland ward poses a challenge, the consultants added.

With nearly 52,000 residents, Cumberland's growing population is larger than other wards, and needs to be redistributed. Only one-quarter of its residents live in the rural areas, however, so their voices are being drowned out by the concerns of a booming suburb.

Yet, 15,000 rural Cumberland residents aren't numerous enough to form a ward of their own, either.

But Dunn counters that people in the rural east end shop and go to school in Orléans, and many haven't even been to the Osgoode area. She said it's wrong to premise the redistribution of wards based on "rural people do rural things and urban people do urban things."

Former Cumberland councillor Stephen Blais said it was a delicate balance to represent both suburban and rural interests for a decade but he doesn't think residents of Navan and Osgoode share a connection, either.

"There is already an imbalance between east and west in Ottawa and adding yet another elected voice to the west end will just diminish the capacity to have a voice in the east end," said Blais.

A final report on ward boundaries goes to committee and city council in December.


With files from Radio-Canada's Stéphane Leclerc

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottaw...erns-1.5743311
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I've said this before, but the workload of rural City Councillors is way smaller than any urban local reprehensive. While we have the Jeff Leipers of the world having to deal with closing streets for physical distancing, traffic detours for tunnel construction, dozens upon dozens of proposals; or the Fleurys with a rebuild of the ByWard Market, a new homeless shelter, re-building of two urban main streets, new zoning for half of the Ward, the Château Laurier... the rural Councillors only have a couple residential subdivisions and a road widening. Boo-hoo, they have to drive a couple more kilometers for a community breakfast. Cry me a river.
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I've said this before, but the workload of rural City Councillors is way smaller than any urban local reprehensive. While we have the Jeff Leipers of the world having to deal with closing streets for physical distancing, traffic detours for tunnel construction, dozens upon dozens of proposals; or the Fleurys with a rebuild of the ByWard Market, a new homeless shelter, re-building of two urban main streets, new zoning for half of the Ward, the Château Laurier... the rural Councillors only have a couple residential subdivisions and a road widening. Boo-hoo, they have to drive a couple more kilometers for a community breakfast. Cry me a river.
Having dealt with the two Councillors you named and also rural councillors, I can say that sometimes Councillors get way too involved in the micro details of projects and don't know when to leave it up to the professional staff who are experts in these things.

I think you're downplaying the work of rural councillors.
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Final report
https://ottawa.ca/en/city-hall/publi...-and-documents

The report recommends a new ward boundary structure composed of 24 wards, with 12 urban wards, nine suburban wards and three rural wards.
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Final report
https://ottawa.ca/en/city-hall/publi...-and-documents

The report recommends a new ward boundary structure composed of 24 wards, with 12 urban wards, nine suburban wards and three rural wards.
Big disappointment. I may be bumped from Kitchissippi to Bay ward. It seems the time I spent filling in the survey was a big waste of my f###ing time.
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