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Old Posted Dec 25, 2018, 9:39 PM
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Honestly the very initial conceptual renderings that the Marketlands team put out were borderline perfect. At the very least, should have been the basis to go off of.



- full streetfront uses along Princess & most of King
- connection to OMS at SE corner of site
- connection to City Hall Plaza across King
- closed and open air market site
- N-S spine through centre of site that allows this apparently precious-above-all-else sunlight into more places
- building along James makes use of full streetfront, and the podium + tower design again allows for more sunlight

Like honestly... just build this. Divide up and sell the northern 2/3 of the property based on this layout and put out individual RFPs for developers for each new plot of land.
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Old Posted Dec 26, 2018, 3:31 AM
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Honestly the very initial conceptual renderings that the Marketlands team put out were borderline perfect. At the very least, should have been the basis to go off of.



- full streetfront uses along Princess & most of King
- connection to OMS at SE corner of site
- connection to City Hall Plaza across King
- closed and open air market site
- N-S spine through centre of site that allows this apparently precious-above-all-else sunlight into more places
- building along James makes use of full streetfront, and the podium + tower design again allows for more sunlight

Like honestly... just build this. Divide up and sell the northern 2/3 of the property based on this layout and put out individual RFPs for developers for each new plot of land.

I tend to agree...

The "winning" concept in my mind is so wrong in terms of its use. The proposal blocks the balance of the site from flowing into the Exchange by this slab of a 1964 building. The first parcel of development should have been towards the North.

There is no respecting the street edge and does not comply with any of the city's planning principals. I can say Jane Jacobs would not approve!

How these lands were not gifted to RRC is as big a mistake as U of M locating in Fort Garry.

Centre Venture is not a developer and has no business trying to be one. Stick with creating the infrastructure like Waterfront Drive and leave the parcels for developers.

The U of W housing team are the only ones close to being able to pull this off.
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Old Posted Dec 26, 2018, 6:10 AM
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Honestly the very initial conceptual renderings that the Marketlands team put out were borderline perfect. At the very least, should have been the basis to go off of.



- full streetfront uses along Princess & most of King
- connection to OMS at SE corner of site
- connection to City Hall Plaza across King
- closed and open air market site
- N-S spine through centre of site that allows this apparently precious-above-all-else sunlight into more places
- building along James makes use of full streetfront, and the podium + tower design again allows for more sunlight

Like honestly... just build this. Divide up and sell the northern 2/3 of the property based on this layout and put out individual RFPs for developers for each new plot of land.
Agreed. My preferred one design was by DIALOG, but the initial drawing breaks up the site much better.
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Old Posted Dec 26, 2018, 6:01 PM
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Another thing that bothers me about this proposal is that it completely ignores the diagonal, pedestrian-friendly ROW that starts on Albert and continues through old market square. They had an amazing opportunity to continue that through marketlands and they decided to put a slab building, stopping it dead in its tracks. In an alternate reality, they would continue that diagonal line through marketlands, make Albert a woonerf, and we would have an amazing pedestrian spine starting right at P&M, and continuing through the entire exchange. Oh the missed opportunity...
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Old Posted Dec 26, 2018, 8:42 PM
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^Yup, and in that same reality McKim decides to get rid of the surface lot in the park and even further to tear down their one storey parkade and sell off the land for redevelopment with CRUs facing OMS.
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Old Posted Dec 26, 2018, 9:47 PM
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^Yup, and in that same reality McKim decides to get rid of the surface lot in the park and even further to tear down their one storey parkade and sell off the land for redevelopment with CRUs facing OMS.
McKim is just a tenant in that building, they have no say in what is done with the surface lot and parking structure.
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Old Posted Dec 26, 2018, 11:27 PM
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McKim is just a tenant in that building, they have no say in what is done with the surface lot and parking structure.
Nope they bought it this year. That is why it is now called the McKim building.
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Nope they bought it this year. That is why it is now called the McKim building.
I believe it's a condo office building with a number of owners..
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Old Posted Dec 27, 2018, 4:13 AM
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I believe it's a condo office building with a number of owners..
It shows up on the Shelter Canadian Properties web site as one of their buildings, but they may just be doing the property management for it as the Free Press did report in 2017 that it was a condo.
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Old Posted Dec 27, 2018, 4:19 AM
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Nope they bought it this year. That is why it is now called the McKim building.
They bought the naming rights from the condo board for 10 years starting in 2017. They have about 2 1/2 floors in the building as their part of the condo ownership from what I have been told.
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Old Posted Dec 27, 2018, 4:39 AM
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Building on the lower left I really like, especially the "wings'.


The whole set of buildings looks like it could be at home in London, England, if that's where the winning architects are from.
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Old Posted Dec 27, 2018, 6:18 AM
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Honestly the very initial conceptual renderings that the Marketlands team put out were borderline perfect. At the very least, should have been the basis to go off of.



- full streetfront uses along Princess & most of King
- connection to OMS at SE corner of site
- connection to City Hall Plaza across King
- closed and open air market site
- N-S spine through centre of site that allows this apparently precious-above-all-else sunlight into more places
- building along James makes use of full streetfront, and the podium + tower design again allows for more sunlight

Like honestly... just build this. Divide up and sell the northern 2/3 of the property based on this layout and put out individual RFPs for developers for each new plot of land.
I reviewed the report for the final selection, and the main reason they preferred the layout chosen is it would cast less of a shadow on the RRC. They also liked the sustainability of the market and it's footprint matching where the original market was. There was also concerns with other submitted bids about a lack of usable plaza space. And of course cost of some the designs was a factor.
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This kind of disappointment towards this project is so wrong.
There's nothing wrong with believing in the principles of good urban design, or appreciating nice architecture This project fails at both, hence the disappointment.
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How does the public let CentreVenture know they made the wrong decision?

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How does the public let CentreVenture know they made the wrong decision?
do you have access to email?
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Old Posted Jan 3, 2019, 6:41 PM
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As asked by Bomberjet:

How does the public let CentreVenture know they made the wrong decision?

And Ando:

do you have access to email?

This is from their contact us section on the website

Email: reception@centreventure.com
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Old Posted Jan 3, 2019, 7:28 PM
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centreventure is accountable to developers, not citizen's, so I doubt they care about anything planners or the public say. weird thing for a publicly funded corp.
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Old Posted Jan 4, 2019, 4:17 AM
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Developers want to maximize their profits, and this design has very few streetfront CRUs. So they're just doing a disservice to everyone.
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