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Old Posted May 6, 2019, 2:37 PM
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Here's the current state of the gentrification debate from the left's perspective:

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Panelist #1 @ 2:45 - "Black people like to have a good time so we play music. Shut the fuck up. Be happy that we even allowed you into this neighborhood and shut the fuck up."

Panelist #2 @ 3:33 - "I don't think you (African American guy) can be a gentrifier. I hear a lot of talk about how black people can be gentrifiers, even though gentrification is 100% tied to class, and you can have higher class black people move into a neighborhood, gentrification is closely related to race. If a black person buys a house in a neighborhood the value will go down strictly because of race. The reverse is that if white people buy property the property values will go up."

Panelist #2 @ 5:14 - "It's interesting. You have these people. These white people who move into these neighborhoods. Gentrification is violence. It's colonization 100%. . . It is violence enacted against the residents of the neighborhood. It can become actual state sanctioned violence."


And then go to 24:00 when the woman is complaining about an increase of property taxes for a house her family has owned for 100 years without a mortgage.
This random YouTube channel, that I've never heard of and has less than 100k views, represents the entire political left? If you believe that, then definitely don't watch the alt-right YouTube channels from people like Stefan Molyneux, Richard Spencer and Paul Joseph Watson. They have much larger audiences and much scarier ideas.
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The marijuana legalization bill has been crafted.

Here's where the revenue will be distributed:

  • 2% - Drug Treatment Fund - "to be used by the Department of Public Health . . . for public education campaign education youth and adults about the health and safety risks of alcohol, tobacco, and illegal drug use."
  • 8% - Illinois Law Enforcement Training Standards Boards - "to fund crime prevention programs, training, and interdiction efforts"
  • 25% - Criminal Justice Information Project Funds - "to address the impact of economic disinvestment, concentrated poverty violence, and the historical overuse of criminal justice response in certain communities.
  • 20% - Local Health Departments - "for substance abuse and mental health prevention and treatment."
  • 10% - Budget Stabilization Fund (unpaid bills)
  • 35% - General Revenue Fund
Is this good for Illinois? And what is the likelihood of this bill becoming law?
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Old Posted May 7, 2019, 3:24 AM
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25% - Criminal Justice Information Project Funds - "to address the impact of economic disinvestment, concentrated poverty violence, and the historical overuse of criminal justice response in certain communities..


Yeah forget paying towards the $133 billion pension shortfall, this is a WAY better use of money. Another army of salaried social justice warriors who, in trying to justify their ongoing employment, will keep the finger pointing game in full swing for another several years. Ooh boy, I wonder what brilliant ideas they’ll come up with next!
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Yeah forget paying towards the $133 billion pension shortfall, this is a WAY better use of money. Another army of salaried social justice warriors who, in trying to justify their ongoing employment, will keep the finger pointing game in full swing for another several years. Ooh boy, I wonder what brilliant ideas they’ll come up with next!
It seems to be just a grant program that will funnel money into existing neighborhood nonprofits. Hardly an "army" of new workers, just a 22-member board to administer the program.
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Old Posted May 7, 2019, 12:49 PM
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It seems to be just a grant program that will funnel money into existing neighborhood nonprofits. Hardly an "army" of new workers, just a 22-member board to administer the program.
Let’s not be so easily fooled. I’d hardly call this a worthy nonprofit that will help anybody but a bunch of social justice warriors just out of grad school that are having a difficult time finding employment for their high in-demand skills:

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It’s simply a salary generator for people that most of us don’t want nor need. This is the New Democratic machine. Give JB the votes, and he’ll get you some jobs.

Don’t buy the lies. The previous generations of Illinoisans did, and look where we are now.
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Old Posted May 7, 2019, 2:30 PM
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When you use phrases like this, you give away the store. It reminds us that we shouldn't take you seriously.

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This is the New Democratic machine. Give JB the votes, and he’ll get you some jobs. Don’t buy the lies. The previous generations of Illinoisans did, and look where we are now.
To which generation are you referring? Illinois had Republican Governors from 1977 to 2003.
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Old Posted May 7, 2019, 3:09 PM
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When you use phrases like this, you give away the store. It reminds us that we shouldn't take you seriously.
I didn't give away the store. It's a legitimate position to state that here is WAY too much of a "social justice" agenda being pushed here in Illinois by an increasingly vocal left wing at the expense of sound and balanced policy-making. You cannot keep trying to legislate every single thing you believe into existence.

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To which generation are you referring? Illinois had Republican Governors from 1977 to 2003.
I'm not buying that. Illinois has been a progressive, solidly blue state for at least 25 years if not longer--you are being disingenuous to pretend otherwise. Doesn't matter if the Governor switches parties. California's has as well.
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Old Posted May 7, 2019, 3:37 PM
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Yeah forget paying towards the $133 billion pension shortfall, this is a WAY better use of money. Another army of salaried social justice warriors who, in trying to justify their ongoing employment, will keep the finger pointing game in full swing for another several years. Ooh boy, I wonder what brilliant ideas they’ll come up with next!
I can't help but agree with you TUP.

If you read the Tribune and AP articles regarding Pritzker's attempts to gain support for legalizations of weed, he had to basically get all different groups of influence on board. It's his way of letting them have their cut of a new source of revenue. The 45% to general revenue and budget stabilization is great. Even the 2% to substance abuse program funding I'm totally fine with. The other 53% is a complete waste of money. Absolutely, positively a wasted opportunity. You might as well set a pile of cash on fire. It would at least provide some warmth and not increase government bloat.

The same people complaining about Rahm spending money on improving the riverfront are the ones licking their chops about getting their grubby hands on this new source of pot money.
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I can't help but agree with you TUP.

If you read the Tribune and AP articles regarding Pritzker's attempts to gain support for legalizations of weed, he had to basically get all different groups of influence on board. It's his way of letting them have their cut of a new source of revenue. The 45% to general revenue and budget stabilization is great. Even the 2% to substance abuse program funding I'm totally fine with. The other 53% is a complete waste of money. Absolutely, positively a wasted opportunity. You might as well set a pile of cash on fire. It would at least provide some warmth and not increase government bloat.

The same people complaining about Rahm spending money on improving the riverfront are the ones licking their chops about getting their grubby hands on this new source of pot money.
Yes, the issue with the so called "SJWs" in Chicago is not their policy, it's their politics.

If you actually understand, for example, how someone like Carlos Rosa got their start, it wasn't from grassroots support from a lifetime being raised in the community and realizing "We need to stand up for those in need among us!". No, he's a carpetbagger who moved into the ward from LAKEVIEW six months before the election. Hmmm, but how was some 20 something just inspired to move into a ward and win election? Well it's because he was the political patron of Luis Gutierrez and Joe Berrios and the entire Democratic political machine. And, surprise surprise, who runs as a DSA ally of Rosa against Reboyras this last year? Luis Gutierrez's daughter... Total coincidence right? And Rosa was a hardcore Preckwinkle supporter just because he thinks her policies are better...

The entire SJW brand is being co opted in Chicago by those who know the "divide and conquer" strategy best: the machine. The issue we have here is not that "socialism is bad" it's that the "socialism" brand that's currently popular nationally is being used by the worst historical forces in Chicago in a Voldermort like attempt to possess a new body and reinvent themselves. Pritzker is their latest host and this is simply evidence of that.
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Old Posted May 7, 2019, 4:51 PM
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Well I could see 2% for Criminal Justice Information Project Funds to throw them a bone, but 25% is insane! This is supposed to be used to help the horrible state budget and pensions mess lol. Not pay a bunch of liberal grad students. And Yes, I've met some of those people and they do call themselves social justice warriors, or Warrior Mammas so that is totally appropriate.
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Old Posted May 7, 2019, 5:22 PM
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You cannot keep trying to legislate every single thing you believe into existence.
Completely agree with this. Although, to be fair I think both sides do this pretty clearly. On the right, it is things like abortion rights as though making it illegal will eliminate it.

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I'm not buying that. Illinois has been a progressive, solidly blue state for at least 25 years if not longer--you are being disingenuous to pretend otherwise. Doesn't matter if the Governor switches parties. California's has as well.
Your original comment said "generations" and now you say 25 years. That makes a difference as a generation is about 25 years. If we are talking about generations, it isn't disingenuous at all, it is fact. The state has clearly turned more blue since 1990, but it was solidly red for 20 years before that. Illinois voted R in every presidential election from 1968 to 1988.

This is all besides the point anyways. I would have like to see 75% of this go directly to the pensions and 25% to education, but this is what we have. I think the first step should be to talk about what the grants are actually for. The language in the bill indicates it is for the following 4 purposes:

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To carry out this intent, the Restoring Our Communities (ROC) Program is created for the following purposes:

(1) to directly address the impact of economic disinvestment, violence and the historical overuse of criminal justice responses to community and individual needs by providing resources to support local design and control of community-based responses to these impacts;

(2) to substantially reduce both the total amount of gun violence and concentrated poverty in this State;

(3) to protect communities from gun violence through targeted investments and intervention programs, including economic growth and improving family violence prevention, community trauma treatment rates, gun injury victim services, and public health prevention activities;

(4) to promote employment infrastructure and capacity building related to the social determinants of health in the eligible community areas.
I can get on board with using this revenue to support the goal of reducing gun violence and concentrated poverty. Back in reality, the fear is this money being used as a slush fund for political favors.
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^ Fine, perhaps we haven't been blue for "generations", but the machine has lasted generations. And this slush fund looks like another iteration of the same.

Is anybody surprised? Who did we think Pritzker actually was? If anyone voted for him, what they were voting for is the very status quo that has dominated the local political landscape for years.
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Old Posted May 7, 2019, 5:52 PM
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^ Fine, perhaps we haven't been blue for "generations", but the machine has lasted generations. And this slush fund looks like another iteration of the same.

Is anybody surprised? Who did we think Pritzker actually was? If anyone voted for him, what they were voting for is the very status quo that has dominated the local political landscape for years.
The options were him or the guy who nearly ground our state finances into dust and had nothing to show for it. I could have gotten on board with Rauner if he made any attempt to actually cut spending (using his line-item veto, proposing a university campus to close, trying to consolidate townships, anything substantive) instead of his continued grandstanding on right-to-work that never had a chance in Illinois. I voted for Rauner in 2014, but couldn't stomach that again. Low and behold, we will have a state budget this year.

I'll take the legalized marijuana and sports betting Pritzker will deliver over four more years of the Rauner/Madigan tiffs that benefited nobody.
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April revenue stunner: $1.5 billion higher than expected - FY19 hole filled - Pritzker cancels planned pension holiday

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the State of Illinois will be able to address most of the $1.6 billion shortfall in the enacted FY19 budget
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FY20 general funds budget will be roughly $800 million higher than initially projected
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Governor Pritzker remains committed to a financially responsible budget that addresses Illinois’ outstanding obligations, and recommends that these additional revenues can be dedicated to the state’s statutory FY20 pension payment
Glad to see us putting all of this towards the pensions. I wonder how this impacts the other large bills working their way through Springfield (Capital Bill, Gambling Bill, Progressive Income Tax, Legal Marijuana).
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14-year-old charged with shooting 2 men at Argyle CTA station in Uptown is released to parent


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You bolded the wrong part.

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Prosecutors requested that the boy be held in custody, but the judge found that under the law he must be released because he was held in custody for 42 hours by the police and was not brought before a judicial office within 24 hours, Simonton said.
That's a good law and the judge did their job by adhering to it. He was released because someone screwed up and didn't process him correctly or quickly enough.
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Rahm legacy probably worth discussing even more in depth here, with the transition a week away

in general I agree with this...


https://www.chicagobusiness.com/greg...-emanuel-mayor





In the final analysis, Chicago is better off for having Emanuel as mayor

It's been a wild ride under a civic CEO who was and is unquestionably human. And yet despite some missteps—some of them tragic—the pros of this tumultuous tenure far outweighed the cons.

Greg Hinz

Go to see Rahm Emanuel for an exit interview in his final days as mayor, and a staffer hands you a four-color bound volume—taxpayer-funded—listing his accomplishments in 226 detailed pages. Or, as the cover modestly puts it, "A Look Back on Eight Years of Progress."

It's a classic example of the downside of the Energizer Bunny who is Chicago's departing CEO: self-satisfied and even smug, all about him and rarely about what didn't get done.

Fortunately for Emanuel and Chicago, his record and what's actually in the book show a different side. Chicago is a better place after Emanuel, in some ways significantly so. But man, what a ride it's been.

Of all the mayors I've been honored to cover, all the way back to the tail end of Richard J. Daley's administration, Emanuel has been the most human. Daley was an unapproachable legend, Michael Bilandic boring and Jane Byrne as volatile as the weather. Harold Washington was so handicapped by opponents that he never really got a chance to produce. Eugene Sawyer was a nonfactor, and Richard M. Daley badly faded by sticking around too long after a stellar start. It's Emanuel, visibly, his heart always on his sleeve, who demonstrated both highs and lows. Sort of like a precocious teenager you on occasion want to both hug and slap around.

The bad side mostly was Emanuel himself. I don't want to dwell on it, but if you're a mayor, you have to get along not only with your legislative branch—aldermen—but with key constituent groups. Emanuel didn't, that fuzzy-sweater ad from his 2015 campaign notwithstanding. Moreover, on a policy level, neither Emanuel nor his public safety team figured out until too late that Chicago's murder problem was about to explode, almost literally, endangering every other accomplishment of his tenure and playing into the critical perception that while the people Emanuel really cared about lived in the downtown Emerald City, much of Chicago was stuck in the slums of Oz.

But the good side was there, too, and in my view outweighed the negatives of a very human being.

Chicago was on the verge of fiscal collapse eight years ago, swamped in pension and related debt and surviving only by selling off municipal jewels, like the parking meter system. Today, the city's budget is pretty much balanced, and the pension problem recognized and about halfway to being fixed. If the economy holds together a bit longer, a fiscal corner likely has been turned.

The nonstop mayor correctly decided that exploiting Chicago's strengths—the transportation and corporate headquarters of the midcontinent—was the first crucial step in turning around the city as a whole. And he worked tirelessly to let the world know about that. As a result, Chicago now has 163,000 more jobs than it did in 2011—that despite a population dip. Much of the Chicago Transit Authority has been rebuilt, as has O'Hare International Airport. The city has begun to nurture and attract the industries of tomorrow, instead of watching as old-line companies died or moved. Equity challenges remain, but they exist in every big global city.

Emanuel's focus on Chicago Public Schools was critical. Despite continuing shortfalls, the fights to extend the school day and year, to improve test results and offer parents and children more choices were worth it. He sometimes didn't go about it the right way—he suggests his biggest regret was getting off to a bad start with teachers union chief Karen Lewis—but his goal was the right one.

Beyond that, all of this was accomplished pretty much without political scandal, a Chicago rarity. I don't mean to minimize the Laquan McDonald situation or to shrug off the rewarding of donors with city contracts. But few mayors in the last century can say the U.S. attorney's office stayed away from their inner circle. Emanuel can.

The man has earned a break, and I wish him well. Now his lower-keyed successor, Lori Lightfoot, has to pick up on the good points and finish the job.
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You bolded the wrong part.



That's a good law and the judge did their job by adhering to it. He was released because someone screwed up and didn't process him correctly or quickly enough.

yup, the cops screwed up and the judge did right

not surprise at the way local media has handled the story, riling up suburban racists and transplants with stories about activist judges is a chicago media go-to
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^ His mother disagrees and left him in jail all weekend.



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That's up to the mother, who as a parent probably did the right thing. The judge also did the right thing by not legally requiring him to stay in jail.

Not sure what your take is here, you think judges should ignore laws as written?
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That's up to the mother, who as a parent probably did the right thing. The judge also did the right thing by not legally requiring him to stay in jail.

Not sure what your take is here, you think judges should ignore laws as written?
As long as the criminal is punished appropriately, meaning long term sentence. None of this really matters much.
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