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First of all, many citizens complain every time the city spends money on something that isn't snow removal or pot holes so a grand signature bridge would never fly.

I don't think rehabilitating the old bridge is really the answer, let's face it, it's old and not wide enough. I'm sure there is someway that we could preserve it without having it as one of the main river crossings in Saskatoon.
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Old Posted Nov 24, 2010, 3:29 PM
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The replica bridge option is useless, if you want to replace the current bridge than please don't try and imitate what was a funtional design style from a hundred years ago (the equivalent of a 1900's south circle bridge). I understand why you might choose to save the existing bridge as it is a piece of history but a replica is not the original.

To those that think a signature bridge is too expensive step back for a minute and consider that what we build now will last at least 100 years, and in that time the difference on 30 million to 60 million is insignificant.(it's like buying a hundred thousand dollar house and hating it, sure you're paying less on it over the twenty years but you still have to live in it everyday)

You're right Saskatoon is not Paris and never will be but that does not mean that it can't be more than it is today. To use a funtional design in a location that is in the very heart of the city is a betrayal of the quality of our community and a betrayal of those who will have to live with our decision for the next century. Make no mistake "pretty" is important its part of why people enjoy living where ever they make their homes or why they spend more to buy a nice shiny new F150 when they could get where they want to go in a rusty chevette or why there is a cosmetic surgery industry.

To Kruzat take a deep breath and learn to have a little patience the worst thing to do would be to rush to a decision because the morning commute is 5 minutes longer, if it upsets you so much maybe you should consider a different mode of transportation.
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It's not sexist for me to say that the majority of women can't drive when my own girlfriend comments "oh, it's a woman" whenever we see a lady driving like a tool. I'm not saying there aren't any good female drivers, i'm stating the ability of the majority. this isn't sexist, it's fact. It's similar to if I said most guys aren't good aren't great at interior design. I think it comes down to a lack of interest, really, and confidence. Anyway this isn't really the place for this.

Also, to the above poster.

I rode a fucking unicycle to the university Durring the blizzard. Yeah, that's what I thought.
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Sounds like an uncomfortable ride, but I'm glad your more interesting than I assummed.
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2) it is quite possible that your girlfreind(s) are/were also sexist and therefore the fact that they seem to agree with you does not constitute support for the contention that your stated opinion is not sexist.
Maybe she didn't want to get a taste of the back of his hand...

Let's get back on track now, people. I know plenty of lousy drivers both men and women, present company included at times!
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Saskatoon | Future of the Traffic Bridge?

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The bridge that made Saskatoon a city nearly 100 years ago is "done."
By The StarPhoenix (Saskatoon) November 3, 2005 Be the first to post a comment

The bridge that made Saskatoon a city nearly 100 years ago is "done."

That was the announcement from city officials Wednesday as they went public with a startling report on the structural integrity of the historic Victoria Bridge.

"We are sad to announce that in the City of Bridges, our very first bridge ever built, the Traffic Bridge, has served its useful life and can no longer be open for vehicular traffic," city manager Phil Richards told reporters, using the old common name for the crossing that connects Victoria Avenue with 19th Street.

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London Bridge has become an illuminating inspiration for city administrators planning to brighten up Saskatoon's oldest river span.
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London Bridge has become an illuminating inspiration for city administrators planning to brighten up Saskatoon's oldest river span.

The Saskatoon crossing doesn't have an official name yet, but it's popularly known as the Traffic Bridge, Iron Bridge, Victoria Bridge, Steel Bridge or 19th Street Bridge. It turns 100 this year. As part of the celebration, the bridge will get a makeover of modern lighting that will permanently radiate a spectrum of colours year-round.

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Traffic bridge held together by original 1907 nuts, bolts, and beams
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Posted August 25, 2010 - 2:06pm

The future of Victoria Bridge, Saskatoon's oldest bridge, hangs in the balance after the traffic bridge was closed indefinitely on Tuesday after a preliminary inspection of the 103-year-old structure deemed the span unfit for public use.

The lower steel structures holding it together aren't as intact as necessary. Mayor Don Atchison says the bridge needed to be shut down before it collapsed under its own weight.

"Quite frankly, it's the same situation that they ran into Minneapolis where the bridge collapsed. In Quebec, they've had bridges collapse. And here in Saskatoon, thank goodness we've taken a proactive approach all the time and taking inspections of all our bridges on an annual basis," said Atchison.

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Saskatoon's oldest bridge has deteriorated to the point that it's about to collapse, Mayor Don Atchison says.

The Traffic Bridge, also known as the Victoria Bridge, was closed indefinitely on Tuesday because of safety concerns over corrosion. The concern is that the steel-truss structure over the South Saskatchewan River could collapse under its own weight.

"It's not a question of being able to fix it properly," Atchison told reporters on Wednesday. "The bridge is going to collapse. It's imminent that it is going to collapse. And so the question is, 'How can we best deal with the situation?'"

The 103-year-old structure that connects Victoria Avenue to 3rd Avenue South and Spadina Crescent is a crucial route for commuters heading home from the downtown.

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By Adam Pollock, The StarPhoenix November 12, 2010

Although it is difficult during these "congested" times, I implore Saskatoon residents to remember that the Traffic Bridge issue is not about traffic.

It's about deciding if we will be a progressive city that appreciates the importance of its story and celebrates and showcases its heritage or if we will be a city that plows ahead, thinking only of the convenience of the present. If we are willing to sacrifice a century of stories and the very cradle of our city to solve a temporary traffic problem, we are in more trouble than I ever imagined.

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Preserving city's history vital
By Gerry Klein, The StarPhoenix November 18, 2010

The first job I remember having was to crank the bellows in my grandfather's blacksmith shop.

It's hard to imagine a more magical place than a smithy for a four-year-old to be indentured. It was a dark world of smoke, grime and stacks of used steel, and filled with the smell of searing hot iron and the rhythmic sound of the hammer.
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Planning professors urge city to save bridge
By davidhutton Wed, Nov 17 2010 COMMENTS(5) City Hall Notebook (Weblog)

Here is the full co-signed letter to council from the faculty of the University of Saskatchewan's regional and urban planning professors to council:

We are writing out of concern over the future of the Traffic Bridge, our city’s founding bridge, and want to share with you some considerations we feel are important. Between the four of us, we teach, conduct research, provide applied consultancy and have prior work experience in the areas of urban planning and design, land planning and development, transportation planning, and planning processes and techniques. We hope you find the following considerations constructive as you debate and decide upon the future of the Traffic Bridge. Ryan Walker wishes to speak on our behalf at the next meeting of City Council.

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By davidhutton Thu, Nov 18 2010 COMMENTS(5) City Hall Notebook
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Further to toda'ys story, here's the letter to council from Nathan Holth, a well-known U.S. heritage advocate who runs a bridge preservation website:

I am the author and webmaster of www.historicbridges.org, a website that covers bridges with heritage value in North America, and have been following the Traffic Bridge in the news very closely. In summary, I urge city council to either delay a decision on what the fate of the Traffic Bridge should be until additional research can be completed, or choose a solution which preserves the existing Traffic Bridge which is one of the most important heritage structures in Saskatoon and is also one of the most important heritage bridges in Saskatchewan. I have several concerns outlined below regarding the progression of the project thus far.

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City recommends steel truss structure over other proposals
By David Hutton, The StarPhoenix November 18, 2010 Comments (8)


Saskatoon's Traffic Bridge
Photograph by: Greg Pender, The StarPhoenix

A city report recommends tearing down the Traffic Bridge and replacing it with a modern steel truss structure.

The highly anticipated report, released Wednesday and set for debate Monday by council, says the bridge should be replaced with a similar-styled steel truss bridge with wider lanes, at a cost between $27 million and $34 million.

A modern replacement "balances the needs of the community while reducing engineering and financial risks," the city report says.

The new bridge, including three-metre-wide bike and pedestrian walkways on either side and wider traffic lanes, would be close to double the width of the current bridge, at roughly 13.5 metres. The width would allow emergency vehicles and buses to cross, and reduce the chance of sideswipe collisions, the report says.

"One hundred years from now the new bridge will be the historic bridge," Mayor Don Atchison said in an interview.

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Saskatoon Heritage Society members are urging the city to save the 103-year-old Traffic Bridge
Photograph by: Greg Pender, The StarPhoenix

Saskatoon Heritage Society members are gearing up for a fight to save the Traffic Bridge.

“This weekend, we’re going to be saying, ‘Let’s get as many people out to city council on Monday,’ at least so that people get the information directly from the debate,” said chair Lenore Swystun at a press conference held Friday at the Traffic Bridge.

Society members will also be at Co-Op stores and other public areas, including the Farmers’ Market on Saturday, handing out information and urging people to attend Monday’s meeting where Saskatoon city councillors will decide the future of the Traffic Bridge.

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Committee asks council to save bridge
By Lana Haight, with files by David Hutton, The StarPhoenix November 20, 2010 Comments (7)

The committee that advises Saskatoon city council on heritage issues needed more than an hour of debate to decide the Traffic Bridge should be designated as a heritage structure.

"I would be disappointed if we don't say our advice is to keep the bridge and do whatever we need to to restore it," said Terry Scaddan, a member of Saskatoon's municipal heritage advisory committee and the executive director of the Partnership.

The committee held a special meeting that lasted 11/2 hours on Friday to determine its recommendation to city council, which will decide the future of the 103-year-old bridge at its meeting on Monday. A city report, which also goes to council on Monday, recommends tearing down the Traffic Bridge and replacing it with a modern similar-styled steel truss structure with wider lanes, at a cost of between $27 million and $34 million.

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By David Hutton, The StarPhoenix November 23, 2010 Comments (1)

The Traffic Bridge received a stay of execution Monday night after the clock ran out before debate could begin and a long list of speakers could be heard.

After months of public uproar and input on the future of 103-year-old steel bridge, a decision wasn’t made at city council on Monday night after debate ran up against an 11 p.m. deadline after a report on taxi industry regulation went more than 2-1⁄2 hours.

Councillors voted against continuing past the deadline, which needs unanimous approval.

The decision on the fate of the bridge will be picked up at the next council meeting in two weeks time.

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Restore it, or design a new bridge that emphasizes and reflects the symbolism of the original. Let it reawaken community spirit, project our bold vision for the 21st Century, and strengthen our roots during a time of great uncertainty.

A replica does not suffice.

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In my opinion, this is an opportunity for Saskatoon to build a big, strong, icon for the city. Something that will make outsiders instantly identify the city when they see a picture of Saskatoon..if that makes sense. For example, Toronto has the CN Tower, St. Louis has the St. Louis arch, Winnipeg has the Esplanade Riel bridge, even here in Regina we got the twins. Imagine a bridge like..

http://www.bugbog.com/gallery/nether...therlands.html


For those people who whine and complain about preserving the city's heritage ..so what? They have plenty of other bridges (nicer ones too!) around the city. If a new bridge with a strong iconic design was constructed, a hundred years down the road it would become even more of an icon & heritage site to the city than the current traffic bridge. Think the Brooklyn Bridge in NYC or The Golden Gate in San Fransisco, if they were dinky & rusty bridges (no offence), they wouldn't be landmark bridges in their respective cities. I say, a new modern design will be Saskatoon's icon of the century, let the broadway bridge be the icon of the 1900's.



But seeing that the city is going through with an orange replica of the current truss design..yay. Who knows, it might turn out better than expected ...but i doubt it.
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Traffic Bridge

Bridge's fate in council's hands

Honour heritage with rehab, not replica, councillors will hear

By David Hutton and Rory MacLean,
The StarPhoenix December 6, 2010 2:08 AM


An early photo of the Traffic Bridge taken from Nutana on the east side of the riverbank
Photograph by: Photograph LH-681 courtesy Saskatoon Public Library Local History Room, The StarPhoenix



In 1905, residents of Nutana, frustrated by an inadequate ferry service and the lack of river crossings, set a price on joining the village of Riversdale and the town of Saskatoon to form a city: A bridge.

Once the steel truss bridge over the South Saskatchewan River was assured in 1906 at a cost of $105,000, Saskatoon was born.[...]

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Bridge's fate in council's hands

Honour heritage with rehab, not replica, councillors will hear

By David Hutton and Rory MacLean,
The StarPhoenix December 6, 2010 2:08 AM


An early photo of the Traffic Bridge taken from Nutana on the east side of the riverbank
Photograph by: Photograph LH-681 courtesy Saskatoon Public Library Local History Room, The StarPhoenix



In 1905, residents of Nutana, frustrated by an inadequate ferry service and the lack of river crossings, set a price on joining the village of Riversdale and the town of Saskatoon to form a city: A bridge.

Once the steel truss bridge over the South Saskatchewan River was assured in 1906 at a cost of $105,000, Saskatoon was born.[...]

Read more: http://www.thestarphoenix.com/Bridge...#ixzz17KeUbQtZ
More and more I'm finding that I hope this bridge is saved and given some sort of national heritage status. I think a replica would just be ridiculous and a lot of the congestion problems will be removed once the south bridge is built. Maybe having minimal connections between the east and west will help foster a mass transit system earlier then normal.
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Traffic Bridge

Bridge to be replaced

Majority on council opt not to preserve Traffic Bridge

By David Hutton, The StarPhoenix
December 7, 2010 2:10 AM


City councillors who voted in favour of replacing the Traffic Bridge say public feedback supported their decision
Photograph by: Greg Pender, The StarPhoenix, The StarPhoenix


Saskatoon's founding bridge is history. [...]

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Majority on council opt not to preserve Traffic Bridge

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City councillors who voted in favour of replacing the Traffic Bridge say public feedback supported their decision
Photograph by: Greg Pender, The StarPhoenix, The StarPhoenix


Saskatoon's founding bridge is history. [...]

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This is a huge loss for the city. This is the second most iconic structure in the city and we are just turning our backs on it. Sometimes public input isn't the best thing in building a great city.
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As much as I'm all for preserving the few historical aspects of Saskatoon, I don't think the width of this bridge should be one of them. Ensuring that all possible transit connections are made for future growth is a must within the city.
I agree with this statement.
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I agree with that statement too,Dsim249 the 25th street and Broadway bridge to me are more iconic and photographed by travelers. I would have liked to see another bridge, like those, to replace it. Just my opinion.
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Not the decision I was hoping for, but it was expected. If the bridge wasn't so deteriorated it might have been saved. The width, height, and load limit also seemed to be an issue for some (fire chief). It kind of irritates me that the fire chief thinks our roadways should accommodate every piece of equipment they operate.

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What happened to that old nut who bought the Borden Bridge? Is he even still alive? He was 85 when he bought it and talked about his plans to convert it into a dance hall.

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This is a huge loss for the city. This is the second most iconic structure in the city and we are just turning our backs on it. Sometimes public input isn't the best thing in building a great city.
KGC I completely disagree with you and the heritage society. Do you keep old sneakers when they are worn out. Some things just are not worth keeping for memories. There will be thousands of pictures to remember the traffic bridge and an upgrade was essential to accommodate your philosophy of increasing downtown density and a thriving downtown that acts as the centre of the community. In order for this to occur we need good access and a new bridge will serve as an excellent entrance to Nasser's development.

On the flip side I do think we need to do something to commemorate the bridge and its history. As I mentioned in a previous post rehabilitating one section of the bridge into the nearby Meewasin Trail may be an excellent way to keep the history while expanding our City. I am not one who is against the keeping of our historical buildings, but buildings can be much better retrofitted than a bridge.
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