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  #281  
Old Posted Jun 30, 2007, 5:25 AM
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He seems to be arguing both height "2000' dildo" and appearance/context "no other comparable structure nearby". Actually, he seems to be all over the board reading through further posts.
It would make a very strange "dildo", although that isn't my first impression of the design. But somewhat agreeing with aluminum, it does have a certain crudeness to it that I don't like--but a 3-D quality that I do. Can't seem to put my finger on either. I'm 60-40 on that respectively.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 30, 2007, 5:30 AM
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If they just don't build the LVT, what fun will it be ?


Anyways, what are the odds of this tower being 'built' in the first place ?
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 30, 2007, 5:37 AM
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You missed my point entirely. I am arguing that you can't argue that LVT is out of place without first arguing that there are already structures in Vegas which, by that logic, fir that description.
And you missed my point. Stratosphere Tower is irrelevant. It's an observation tower. They don't really get compared with the surrounding architecture of buildings, heightwise. Besides, Stratosphere's design is pretty tame compared with something like Oriental Pearl, or even the Space Needle. I somewhat agree with aluminum that "Crown" will stand out pretty badly amongst the mostly squat standard style of Vegas hotels. I wouldn't go as far as saying it it "ruins" Las Vegas.

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Old Posted Jun 30, 2007, 4:21 PM
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Anyways, what are the odds of this tower being 'built' in the first place ?
Packer and York joining Milam makes a trifecta.

There is now 100% certainty that a 5,000 room hotel/casino will be built on the site, the betting now is on how much different will it be from the original renderings.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 30, 2007, 4:51 PM
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And you missed my point. Stratosphere Tower is irrelevant. It's an observation tower. They don't really get compared with the surrounding architecture of buildings, heightwise. Besides, Stratosphere's design is pretty tame compared with something like Oriental Pearl, or even the Space Needle. I somewhat agree with aluminum that "Crown" will stand out pretty badly amongst the mostly squat standard style of Vegas hotels. I wouldn't go as far as saying it it "ruins" Las Vegas.



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I think that 'observation tower' is an arbitrary distinction. And in any case, aluminum led with 'structure'.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 1, 2007, 3:06 AM
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I think that 'observation tower' is an arbitrary distinction. And in any case, aluminum led with 'structure'.
I said 'comparable structure', theres nothing similar in the designs and heights of LVT and Stratosphere tower.
I totally agree with Lost Island that it won't look much appealing among squat Vegas hotels.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 1, 2007, 3:19 AM
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I said 'comparable structure', theres nothing similar in the designs and heights of LVT and Stratosphere tower.
I totally agree with Lost Island that it won't look much appealing among squat Vegas hotels.
IMO, 'comparable structure' is also an arbitrary distinction. There are arguably no structures in the immediate vicinty of Stratosphere which are comparable to it. It sounds like you two are arguing that it is okay for an obsevation tower to greatly outstrip everything around it, but nothing like a habitable building. What did the Empire State Building look like in 1931 ? The Chrysler a year before ?
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 1, 2007, 3:38 AM
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IMO, 'comparable structure' is also an arbitrary distinction. There are arguably no structures in the immediate vicinty of Stratosphere which are comparable to it. It sounds like you two are arguing that it is okay for an obsevation tower to greatly outstrip everything around it, but nothing like a habitable building. What did the Empire State Building look like in 1931 ? The Chrysler a year before ?
Okay, okay its "TRULY GREAT" to have a tall habitable building in Vegas. But that doesn't mean they should build a 'scarecrow' among squat Vegas hotels.
     
     
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Okay, okay its "TRULY GREAT" to have a tall habitable building in Vegas. But that doesn't mean they should build a 'scarecrow' among squat Vegas hotels.
Scarecrow to some ... alien spaceship to others.
     
     
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I've come to learn that 'context' in a skyline is pretty irrelevant, rather context at street-level is just about all that matters. With that said, at street level, it won't be much different than just about any other hotel/casino complex: fortress-like and built as islands onto themselves.
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Old Posted Jul 1, 2007, 6:55 AM
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I think that 'observation tower' is an arbitrary distinction. And in any case, aluminum led with 'structure'.
Mentioning Stratoshpere Tower in the first place is what was arbitrary. Nice splitting of hairs as usual--to the point everyone forgets the point. I see you don't limit those tactics to politics on SSC...oh joy.
     
     
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among squat Vegas hotels.
The CLV site is surrounded by seven 500 foot tall relatively narrow condo towers and a "squat" 737 foot tall hotel is underconstruction next door.
     
     
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Mentioning Stratoshpere Tower in the first place is what was arbitrary. Nice splitting of hairs as usual--to the point everyone forgets the point. I see you don't limit those tactics to politics on SSC...oh joy.
For others who don't know of Lost Island's and my personal history, he's Pavlov's dog to my bell.
     
     
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The CLV site is surrounded by seven 500 foot tall relatively narrow condo towers and a "squat" 737 foot tall hotel is underconstruction next door.
*slapdown*
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 2, 2007, 3:51 AM
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The CLV site is surrounded by seven 500 foot tall relatively narrow condo towers and a "squat" 737 foot tall hotel is underconstruction next door.
Oh cool ! The 'scarecrow' will stand among buildings taller than I expected !
     
     
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For others who don't know of Lost Island's and my personal history, he's Pavlov's dog to my bell.
Doesn't work over here, Dale...and neither do *you* for that matter.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 2, 2007, 3:36 PM
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Doesn't work over here, Dale...and neither do *you* for that matter.
Did I traumitize you on SSC so that you had to change your name and seek refuge on another skyscraper site ?
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 3, 2007, 2:19 AM
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Las Vegas could and should be America's Dubai. They have the money and the people, time to raise the limit on american skyscrapers!!!!!!!!!
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 3, 2007, 2:37 AM
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Las Vegas could and should be America's Dubai. They have the money and the people, time to raise the limit on american skyscrapers!!!!!!!!!
Preach it! And this is manifestly not a tacky building. Excalibur's tacky.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 3, 2007, 2:33 PM
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Las Vegas could and should be America's Dubai. They have the money and the people, time to raise the limit on american skyscrapers!!!!!!!!!
Las Vegas can't make real 'something' until they suffer the 2000' height limit.
     
     
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