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Old Posted Feb 19, 2019, 11:46 PM
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that whole lic amazon hq2 area is going to continue to fill up with apartment buildings of the type that residents equally as somewhat wealthy as the amazon employees would have had to pay. so who cares if its amazon employee money or their mom and dads money or whatever else that pays for it, they will live in the city, work, spend money, pay taxes.

its not a one to one tradeoff, but still lic remains a bustling and growing area.

while it was beyond the beyond dumb to chase hq2 of 2 away, in the end, meh.

These things have a way of coming back to bite you in the ass. The city, which has been trying for decades to expand it's central business districts outside of Manhattan had a golden opportunity here for a mega-expansion that no doubt would have led to more expansion in Queens. There is some business began to take shape in LIC, but not necessarily game changers, and especially in the short run, there is a 1 msf office tower that needs tenants. The tenants who will (hopefully) fill up this tower are probably tenants that could have otherwise filled up another commercial enterprise in LIC.

There's not denying that this was a terrible outcome for New York City. Did NYC need Amazon? Would it have benefited greatly by having Amazon building it's campus in LIC, placing 25,000 to 40,000 workers there, in turn further fueling expansion and economic growth to LIC? Hell yeah. While LIC will continue to develop, the difference between having that massive campus there, and not is like night and day.



https://qns.com/story/2019/02/19/aft...g-island-city/

After early divisions, organized labor laments loss of Amazon HQ2 deal in Long Island City


By Bill Parry
February 19, 2019


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Unions representing thousands of workers across the city were split early on about Amazon’s plan for Long Island City — but were united in lament after the retail giant derailed their proposal last week.

When Amazon’s anti-union policies were exposed during a City Council oversight committee hearing last month when a company executive, Brian Huseman, told Councilman Jimmy Van Bramer that he could not support labor neutrality for workers in Long Island City, the gallery exploded in protest.

But outside City Hall that day, construction workers and labor unions rallied in support of the deal that the state and city struck with Amazon to build its HQ2 campus at Anable Basin and create 25,000 good-paying jobs over 10 years, with a plan to grow to 40,000 over 15 years.
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Local 32BJ of the Service Employees International Union had carved out a position that Amazon, which doesn’t have a single unionized facility anywhere is the country, might adopt a more labor neutral posture once it was established in progressive and pro-union New York City.

“Amazon’s new headquarters will be a model for how organized labor can power the next generation of U.S. companies to greater success,” 32BJ SEIU Political Director Alison Hirsh said during the rally. “These new jobs and significant neighborhood commitments will help uplift Queens families and the city as a whole.”

32BJ SEIU had already secured a commitment from Amazon that would have created thousands of permanent jobs and good wages for cleaners and security guards at the proposed HQ2 campus in Long Island City and its leader, Hector Figueroa, who had organized thousands of airport workers during a years-long campaign right here in Queens. Figueroa figured he could do the same with Amazon’s headquarters in Long Island City.
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The day before Amazon walked away from the project, four of its executives, including Huseman, met with organized labor leaders in Governor Cuomo’s Manhattan offices where they worked out a framework for a deal.

Stuart Appelbaum, the president of the powerful Retail, Wholesale and Department Store Union, had been a fierce opponent of Amazon was present along with the regional chapter of the Teamsters and New York State’s AFL-CIO. Appelbaum later said he was “amazed” that Amazon owner Jeff Bezos cancelled the HQ2 project.


“Rather than addressing the legitimate concerns that have been raised by many New Yorkers Amazon says you do it our way or not at all, we will not even consider the concerns of New Yorkers,” RWDSU Director of Communications Chelsea Connor said. “That’s not what a responsible business would do.”
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When the deal collapsed, Figueroa lamented the loss of so many union jobs, and the potential for so much more.

“The news that Amazon has decided to cancel its plans to build its second headquarters in New York City is a disappointing development for working people in our city,” Figueroa said. “This is a lost opportunity for Queens and New York on many levels. Of course, the loss of 25,000 direct jobs and many more indirect ones as well as the billions in revenue that the project was expected to bring into our city is unfortunate.For labor however, this is also a missed opportunity to engage one of the largest companies in the world and to create a pathway to union representation for one of the largest groups of predominantly non-union workers in our country.”
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Gary LaBarbera, the president of the Building and Construction Trades Council of Greater New York, said he was stunned by the “unfortunate news” after the corporation had promised to use all-union construction at the HQ2 campus, providing at least 5,000 jobs building its 4 million-square-foot complex with an opportunity to expand to 8 million square feet.

LaBarbera lamented not just the union jobs however, but the loss of the 25,000 to 40,000 jobs the HQ2 campus would have provided.

“Politics and pandering have won out over a once-in-a-lifetime investment in New York City’s economy, bringing with it tens of thousands of solid middle class jobs,” LaBarbera said. “This sends the wrong message to businesses all over the world looking to call New York home. Who will want to come now? We will remember which legislators forgot about us and this opportunity.”




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With 4 Short Words, Amazon Just Revealed the Brutal Truth About Its Decision to Cancel HQ2 in New York. (So Many People Don't Want to Admit This)
The Amazon statement backing out of New York runs 363 words. Here are the four most important ones.



By Bill Murphy Jr.


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I've been rereading the Amazon statement calling off the deal to build half of HQ2 in New York. And I think I've found an important clue about what happens next.

It's not a plan really, not a hidden secret message. It's more of an expression of emotion. Maybe a realization of necessity.

In fact, while the text Amazon posted on its blog on February 14 runs 363 words, the most important part of this crucial passage is just four words long. But those four words speak volumes.
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It starts with a dig at "state and local politicians" in New York, and a statement about how many New Yorkers supposedly supported the deal. Then, we get to the crucial part:

We are disappointed to have reached this conclusion--we love New York, its incomparable dynamism, people, and culture--and particularly the community of Long Island City, where we have gotten to know so many optimistic, forward-leaning community leaders, small business owners, and residents.

There are currently over 5,000 Amazon employees in Brooklyn, Manhattan, and Staten Island, and we plan to continue growing these teams.


Those four crucial words? "We love New York."
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They're not included by accident. In fact, I'll bet this statement probably went through more writing, editing and rewriting than anything in Amazon's history.

But the passage is crucial. It's a recognition that even in a post-HQ2 world Amazon, still depends big time on New York. That's why I think the company is at pains to reassure everyone that it isn't going to try to just reopen the HQ2 search and do this elsewhere.

The brutal truth is: New York City is special.

I know people don't like to admit this. I know that there are many trying to make political points, attacking union leaders and politicians who they say are to blame for Amazon running away.
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But there is no other place truly like New York City, and Amazon isn't really going to run -- not completely. It's not just chest-thumping; it comes down at least partly to sheer numbers. Here are three of them:

-By far, New York is the largest city in America, with 8.6 million people--almost as big as the second, third, and fourth largest cities combined.

-By far, it's the largest metropolitan area: more than 20 million people. If it were its own state, it would be about as big as Florida -- but much more densely packed.

-By far, it has the largest GDP of any metro area, at at $1.7 trillion. That's nearly 9 percent of the entire country.
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The Bill Murphy Jr. article is a bit much...and that's putting it mildly. It's a shame what happened. And it seems to be because the opponents of this were incapable of thinking and reasoning.

The only legitimate argument AOC and people like her made is displacement and the area in LIC where they would be going getting too expensive for existing residents. But that's not a sufficient reason to reject them. It can also be mitigated. In Philly, we have a program called Longtime Owner Occupants Program (LOOP) which helps freeze taxes for homeowners in rapidly appreciating neighborhoods and helps them remain. It works. https://www.philadelphiafed.org/-/me...3lVwuWTshOrpVc https://www.philly.com/philly/news/g...MiLH5EQMRdjr3U https://whyy.org/segments/philly-fed...900ZjmPxhZtubM Of course, if some LIC residents instead wanted to sell for a nice profit and go elsewhere, who are we to stop them? That's actually part of the American Dream.
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BQX streetcar plan back on life support after Amazon pulls out

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Amazon’s decision to bring part of its HQ2 to Queens helped breathe new life into the city’s long-stalled Brooklyn-Queens Connector (BQX) streetcar plan. Now that Amazon has cancelled those plans, BQX could really be on its last legs.

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Though some view the streetcar as a boon for transit-starved neighborhoods in Brooklyn and Queens, critics have panned the project as unnecessary, uneconomical and a costly handout to developers with property along the planned route.
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These things have a way of coming back to bite you in the ass. The city, which has been trying for decades to expand it's central business districts outside of Manhattan had a golden opportunity here for a mega-expansion that no doubt would have led to more expansion in Queens. There is some business began to take shape in LIC, but not necessarily game changers, and especially in the short run, there is a 1 msf office tower that needs tenants. The tenants who will (hopefully) fill up this tower are probably tenants that could have otherwise filled up another commercial enterprise in LIC.

There's not denying that this was a terrible outcome for New York City. Did NYC need Amazon? Would it have benefited greatly by having Amazon building it's campus in LIC, placing 25,000 to 40,000 workers there, in turn further fueling expansion and economic growth to LIC? Hell yeah. While LIC will continue to develop, the difference between having that massive campus there, and not is like night and day.

well it was stupid to chase any jobs away, but amazon was wishy washy for a reason well beyond local whiners. did anyone really believe the 25k employees number they threw around? and 40k? where the hell did that one come from? hoax. realistically? 10k? maybe? eventually? but lic will get that in new residents anyway in a equal amount of time. obviously it isn't farmland. itsa boomin along on its own. and better 20 smaller players than one conspicuous major employer. thats why i say meh.
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well it was stupid to chase any jobs away, but amazon was wishy washy for a reason well beyond local whiners. did anyone really believe the 25k employees number they threw around? and 40k? where the hell did that one come from? hoax. realistically? 10k? maybe? eventually? but lic will get that in new residents anyway in a equal amount of time. obviously it isn't farmland. itsa boomin along on its own. and better 20 smaller players than one conspicuous major employer. thats why i say meh.
People keep asking about the numbers. Why is there a reason to doubt it? How many do they have in Seatle? What are the getting in Virginia? Look at the numbers that Google is putting in Manhattan. Is that a hoax? I mean, seriously.
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https://www.city-journal.org/de-blasio-amazon-deal

De Blasio’s Dereliction of Duty
The mayor blew the Amazon deal, but it’s someone else’s fault—as always.


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February 20, 2019


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New York City mayor Bill de Blasio dragged his presidential ambitions to Washington over the weekend, where he went on Meet the Press and bit the hand that wanted to feed his city billions. The topic was Amazon’s abrupt abandonment of its expansion plans in Queens, which the mayor deemed “an abuse of corporate power. They had an agreement with the people of New York City.”

Amazon, of course, might argue that the people of New York City, as represented in Congress, the state legislature, and the city council, were in the process of abrogating that agreement, and that CEO Jeff Bezos saw no point in being bitten to death by a flock of progressive ducks. Further, the company could contend that once it became clear that the ducks meant to kill the deal or alter it beyond recognition, and not to Amazon’s advantage, the mayor did nothing to help save it. Governor Andrew Cuomo at least threatened, if imprecisely, that there would be political consequences for failure.
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Now that the deal is undone, de Blasio is free to adopt his usual stance of a disinterested observer. The mayor’s ability to find extenuating circumstances to blame for his inability to cope with the responsibilities of office is otherworldly.

...The unraveling of the Amazon deal is a textbook example of his aloof, not-my-problem style of governance. As de Blasio said on Meet the Press Sunday, “a majority of New Yorkers believed in it. They wanted the jobs. They wanted the revenue that would help us to create more affordable housing, better mass transit. There was a consensus in New York City.” But there was no unanimity. There never is and there never will be— and thus it falls to political leaders in such circumstance to lead, to make things happen, to forge the agreements that get things done.
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Here, de Blasio failed. As narrowly focused ideological opposition, NIMBYism, and self-serving political ambition overwhelmed clear public support for the plan, he went mute. When State Senate Majority Leader Andrea Stewart-Cousins put a vocal Amazon opponent in a position to kill the deal, de Blasio didn’t complain. And when Cuomo warned that Bezos & Co. were growing restive, the mayor was nowhere to be found.

Running a major city is no job for someone inclined to phone it in, and it’s especially hard to do from the Park Slope YMCA, an almost-daily mayoral haunt. De Blasio’s failure to engage, while inexcusable, is not surprising. It’s also possible that he wasn’t fully on board with the deal in the first place. His hostility to capitalistic enterprise is no secret; he’ll spend the tax revenues it generates but with his nose in the air.
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De Blasio himself, writing in the New York Times after the pullout, tried to explain what he had told the company: “I had counseled a senior Amazon executive about how they could win over some of their critics. Meet with organized labor. Start hiring public housing residents. Invest in infrastructure and other community needs. Show you care about fairness and creating opportunity for working people.” In other words, sign an open-ended pledge to do things the mayor’s own administration has been unable to accomplish, and maybe the city will stoop to doing business with you.

What Bezos and his boardroom thought about that suggestion isn’t in the public record, but the company wasted no time casting off once it became clear that the clean deal that it thought it had negotiated was anything but. Or, as de Blasio put it, Amazon “just took their ball and went home.” It’s hard to blame them.
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Amazon Opponent Passed Over for State Board

Feb 24, 2019
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State Senator Michael Gianaris, a fierce critic of Amazon, won't be sitting on the obscure but periodically powerful New York State Public Authorities Control Board after all. The prospect of Gianaris's board membership, which could've given him a veto over the Amazon deal, helped spook the company into backing out of from becoming one of the city's major employers. Amazon supporter Governor Andrew Cuomo could have prevented Gianaris from taking the position but, somewhat inexplicably, never acted.

The Public Authorities Control Board assumed an outsized role in the Amazon drama because the deal included a $500 million grant to build the company's Long Island City campus. The board would have voted on that part of the $3 billion subsidy package.
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In a letter to Cuomo, Senate Majority Leader Andrea Stewart-Cousins, who had nominated Gianaris to the board earlier this month, blamed the governor's "inaction" for her withdrawal of Gianaris's name.

"Through comments you have made to others in public meetings and interviews," she wrote, "it has become clear that you do not intend to confirm this appointment to the PACB...To ensure the Senate Majority is properly represented, I hereby formally recommend Senator Leroy Comrie as the Senate’s representative on the Public Authorities Control Board."

Cuomo spokesperson Rich Azzopardi's reaction? "Great, but it's a day late and $27 billion short." His implication was that the Amazon deal might've been saved had Stewart-Cousins not put Gianaris's name forward, or withdrawn it before the company bolted, taking with it a projected $27 billion in city and state tax revenues over 25 years. Azzopardi added that the governor would review Comrie's nomination. Comrie did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
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While Cuomo never moved one way or the other on the Gianaris nomination, his budget director, Robert Mujica, said his boss would have eventually rejected it.

"Of course the Governor would never accept a Senate nomination of an opponent to the project and the Governor told that to Amazon directly," he wrote in an open letter slamming Democratic opposition to Amazon.


One project down, another to target...



https://nypost.com/2019/02/24/cuomo-...ng-opposition/

Cuomo-backed $1B arena in Belmont Park facing opposition

By Rich Calder and Carl Campanile
February 24, 2019


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Another megaproject being pushed by Gov. Cuomo is on track to get Amazoned.

A $1 billion arena and entertainment venue on state-owned property near Belmont Park is facing opposition from local leaders, and will have to go before the Public Authorities Control Board.

Amazon abandoned plans for a second headquarters in Long Island City, Queens, after an opponent of the project, Sen. Michael Gianaris, was nominated to the board, effectively giving him veto power over the deal.


After Amazon pulled out, Gianaris’ name was withdrawn and the person finally put on the PACB is Queens Sen. Leroy Comrie, whose district takes in part of Belmont Park. The Belmont project would include 435,000 square feet of retail space, restaurants, a 250-room hotel and 19,000-seat arena for the NHL’s Islanders. But some local officials aren’t on board.

“I’m opposed to the project right now,” said state Assemblywoman Michaelle Solages, citing traffic congestion and lack of regular train service to the area.
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Cuomo’s camp dismissed the comparison to the Amazon fiasco, and said there is support for the deal.

“We . . . are proud of our . . . community engagement efforts,” said Empire State Development spokesman Jack Sterne.
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Still coming to grips here, so please excuse me. Someone a few pages back said roughly “..Don’t go blaming just AOC. This fiasco is the fault of both Democrats AND Republicans..” I by no means am trying to start a political battle, I’m just honestly intrigued by the statement. Can I trouble the poster or anyone to DM me with an article or some kind of backup showing that a Republican politician took part in Amazon’s reversal? Thanks. Again, just looking for clarification.
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^ Yep. One line that stuck with me, he mentioned "[LIC]Housing market is in crisis right now", which is a funny way of saying there isn't enough supply to keep up with the demand. To solve this "crisis" would require more development; obviously more residential towers to accommodate the great demand. I've never heard of good economic conditions for investors and builders as a "crisis". Would be funny if it weren't so sad.
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Still coming to grips here, so please excuse me. Someone a few pages back said roughly “..Don’t go blaming just AOC. This fiasco is the fault of both Democrats AND Republicans..” I by no means am trying to start a political battle, I’m just honestly intrigued by the statement. Can I trouble the poster or anyone to DM me with an article or some kind of backup showing that a Republican politician took part in Amazon’s reversal? Thanks. Again, just looking for clarification.
Not exactly to your point, but AOC doesn't represent LIC and didn't have anything to do with this deal at any stage. The fact that her name keeps coming up just shows how much soft power and sway she already holds over Southern NY politics.
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^ Has nothing to do with her sway, and more with this obsession with her from everywhere else. I mentioned as well that she didn't have anything to do with this deal, and had no say in it. Carolyn Maloney supported the deal, it was her district.



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Google it. I"m sure you'll find it if you want to. In the meantime, we'll try to keep clear of those party political discussions.




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Long Island City businessman travels to Seattle in hopes of rescuing Amazon deal

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February 27, 2019


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A Long Island City businessman, still fuming that Amazon abandoned its plan to build an HQ2 campus in his neighborhood and create at least 25,000 jobs due to a “lack of collaborative relationships with state and local officials,” flew to Seattle on a mission.

John Brown Smokehouse owner Josh Bowen, a former supporter of state Senator Michael Gianaris and City Councilman Jimmy Van Bramer who now blames them for Amazon’s departure, met for 2 hours Monday with a top executive at the e-commerce giant’s headquarters trying to rescue the deal.

“Someone has to represent Queens, Mike and Jimmy abdicated their duties,” Bowen said. “We we were supposed to meet on the 15 and I insisted I deserved my meeting.”

An Amazon spokeswoman confirmed the meeting took place.
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After a tour of the Seattle headquarters, Bowen grew more angry.

“The opposition has portrayed Amazon as some evil corporation but I found them to be exemplary, way more progressive than our elected leaders,” Bowen said. “And now that I’ve seen their facility with their workspace atriums with live trees I want to cry knowing this could have all been in Long Island City. All I know is they wanted to make Queens a powerhouse for the ages and that’s why I went because I want the same thing for my daughter.”

Bowen could have been on a beach in the Caribbean or working on opening his second restaurant, the Mothership Meat Company in Dutch Kills.

“This trip wasn’t convenient for me it’s just something I needed to do.” Bowen said. “And when all was said and done and I asked if they would reconsider he looked me in the eye and said never say never.”


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well well well

amazon is back.

except in manhattan this time.

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So if Amazon is building HQ2 in Midtown, the NIMBYs and pandering politicans will look like total idiots. Not only are they "cursed" with tens of thousands of high-paying jobs, all the benefits Amazon promised have disappeared.

But this is very good news, nonetheless. At least in Midtown, there's no AOC. And the whiners won't even notice Amazon, given Midtown's size.

Also, kudos to the pundits and analysts who correctly called this. A number of prominent folks predicted Amazon HQ2 was still a go, but relocated.
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I wonder what was planned for the Queen's site. Does anybody have any idea? I'm guessing a campus style series of low & mid rises.
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