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View Poll Results: What will the final cost of the CMHR be, once completed?
$315 million 2 8.33%
$315-375 million 4 16.67%
$375-450 million 6 25.00%
$450 million + 12 50.00%
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they have barely goten past piles and ur already calling it a failure....
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they have barely goten past piles and ur already calling it a failure....
it has all the signs and markings of a great failure. I could go into details, but I know I am right, and time will vindict the 91% of us who do not want any more of taxpayers money to be spent on the project.
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then loby for them to raise more from donations then
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Finally, someone with common sense enters the debate. These pro-CMHR posters have been drinking too much of Gail's Kool-Aid. Clearly they are in denial, and are too stubborn to admit that they are were wrong about this shady Museum...
BTW I'm not pro museum per se, I'm anti-idiotic anti-moronic comment mostly.
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BTW I'm not pro museum per se, I'm anti-idiotic anti-moronic comment mostly.
Whatever you say, "Hulk".

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Do we really need two threads of people bitching about the museum?
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Do we really need two threads of people bitching about the museum?
Does it really bother you that much? Negatively impact your life? Make reading the site extremely difficult for you? Really?

And if so, why?

CMHR proponents: trying to limit unpleasant conversation, naturally.

Seems to me that this thread started, because Jets wanted to get a sense of people's thoughts regarding the final cost. Can't add a poll to an already existing thread.

Some chose to respond, and discussion ensued. While you may not like to hear differing opinions, many do; and many of which like to do some forum polls. Please don't display crocodile tears because Jets wanted to create a new thread, so he could have a poll.

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Back on topic, interesting poll results. At the time I'm writing this, 13 respondents thus far gave a response, and the most commonly selected response is that it will be $450-M+, with 46% responding that way. If such cost becomes reality, how could Gail fundraise the additional shortfall from non-public sources? I'm guessing that the private funding has been pretty much tapped to the max at this time... can she convince her big donors to write another cheque? I'm guessing not. Unless more politicians come to reality, it'll be on the back of the taxpayer.

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I shall fancy a guess that it'll cost eleventy billion dollars to build.

And it'll require the blood and souls of each first born Winnipeg son just to keep the lights on.

Oh, and it'll reduce to the rest of the city to nothing more than a scorched wasteland, where warlords will run free and the Tower of Hope will dominant the skyline, striking fear into the hearts of everyone, just as Saruman's Eye plagued the inhabitants of Middle Earth.

Clearly, the worst thing that has ever happened to this city.

Thats preeecccciooouus
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Could it exceed $1 billion?
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meh would u rather see corners cut or built properly?
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meh would u rather see corners cut or built properly?
Do you actually have any idea where tax dollars come from? Your young an naive, those of us who own homes and pay way more than our fair share of taxes understand why building this thing is a bad idea!
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You angry people are hilarious!
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Do you actually have any idea where tax dollars come from? Your young an naive, those of us who own homes and pay way more than our fair share of taxes understand why building this thing is a bad idea!
dude i pay my taxs like everyone els
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5.....7988 .... 342..... no 83792730 ... uhhhh 9234... 49 .....3..... 567.... 87403 ...... 574639...5..... 7755....... 97 ......4.........32......575...
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6543...... 96435675...... 5345353 ....... 634^3 ...... 324564979 ..... 35

..... 10 BILLION DOLLARS ...

How about 380x + .25X + 125746 ... solve for x
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dude i pay my taxs like everyone els
I am paying as well living in Calgary as are all employed Canadians. I am paying Federal taxes which most of this funding is coming from so no matter where you live in Canada you have a say in it...

In fact the Federal Government is putting in twice as much as the City of Winnipeg and the Province of Manitoba not to mention the operational costs funded by the Federal Government going forward.

Saying all that, I am an employee paying the max in Federal taxes 29% of total income tax and I fully support this project despite the increase in construction costs...
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Saying all that, I am an employee paying the max in Federal taxes 29% of total income tax and I fully support this project despite the increase in construction costs...
What do you want, a medal?

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What do you want, a medal?
No, I think he wants rrskylar to acknowledge that he isn't the only one around who pays taxes.
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No, I think he wants rrskylar to acknowledge that he isn't the only one around who pays taxes.
Exactly rypinion! Some people actually get it on this subject but I guess I can't assume all people understand economics or the way our Canadian tax structure works..
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Here are some numbers for three other major Canadian museums. Based on the numbers below, the CMHR costs appear to be in line with other museums, even with the increased costs. This is not a justification for or against the museum (other any major museum for that matter), just some numbers. Note the dates of completion.

The National Museum of Man became the Canadian Museum of Civilization. In 1989, the museum moved in to the new facility. At the time of its opening, the cost of the museum had ballooned from an initial estimate of approximately $80 million to approximately $340 million. Despite initial criticisms of the perceived Disney-ficaton of the museum, its enormous costs, unique architecture, and unfinished exhibits from many quarters (including the Conservative government of Brian Mulroney), the museum soon became a major tourist attraction and was embraced by different political factions as a national symbol of "a pluralistic, multicultural society."[7] The museum attracts over 1.3 million visitors per year, making it Canada's most-visited museum.

National Gallery of Canada
New Facility
The facility design features a 278 foot long colonnade that draws visitors into the 140 foot high Great Hall. Public circulation spaces, comprising streets and piazzas, lead to the galleries contained in a series of pavilions, each of which has a distinct character and style.
Construction Cost
$116 million
Completion Date
1988


ROM (not officially a National Museum, but equal in scale) Opened in 1984 by Queen Elizabeth II, a $55 million expansion was built in a simple modernist style of poured concrete, glass, and pre-cast concrete and aggregate panels. It took the form of layered volumes, each rising layer stepping back from Bloor Street, hence creating a layered terrace effect. Though the design of this expansion won a Governor General's Award in Architecture, this last set of galleries was torn down in 2004 in favour of a new expansion designed by architect Daniel Libeskind.[5] Existing galleries and buildings are also being modified. Renovated galleries in the historic buildings will reopen in stages, and all work is scheduled to be completed by 2010.[6] The final cost of the expansion project will be $270 million CAD.
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